User talk:Primarch11

You might want to take a look at the Space Primates talk page. Supahbadmarine 19:49, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, its really good. --NecrusIV-(Talk) 04:05, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

I hate to tell you this but the Chaos god you have just made crosses some lines. It is a shoe in for deletion. Supahbadmarine 23:51, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

Well first we do not allow super powerful Chaos Gods on this site. The four Major gods are the Canon ones and all fan made Gods are minor. That means no fifth power and certainly not a god that trumps the others. Secondly a few of the aspects under your gods dominion crossover into that of other Gods. That is a big no no. There is a lot more I could tell you if I had the patients to go over the entire article. Frankly it is unlikely you will be able to salvage this one. Don't let this discourage you though. Chaos Gods are one of the hardest things to make on this site. Also whenever you make an article be sure to check the Talk pages. They warn an author when there is problems and if you discuss it, the other Users can help you. Supahbadmarine 01:15, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

When you go to the Edit button on an article hit the little arrow and it should give you the Move option. This will allow you to chage the title of the article. A s far as contents go, you just need to make sections using heading. At the far left of your editing toolbar there is a button that sais normal. click it and it will give you option for making Headings. Big sections should be Heading 2. If you want to make a sub section go to heading 3 and so on. Also I felt I should tell you that despite the fact that Protogenoi is having some trouble, I felt it was well written. Supahbadmarine 02:21, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

No problem. Feel free to ask for help anytime. Supahbadmarine 02:27, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

Just asking, but do you know how to access and use Article Talk pages? If you don't then let me know and I will be sure to explain. Supahbadmarine 03:41, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

Sure. Each article comes with it's own talk page. This talk page is a place where the community can discuss the article and it's contents. If your article has problems, this is where you can find out what they are. To the right of an article's title there will be an icon that looks like a speech bubble with a number. This number indicates the number of times that the talk page has been edited. To the right of that bubble will be a link titled Talk. Click it to get to the talk page. At the top right of the page there is a blue button that says add topic. Click it then write your message. After you have written your message make a space and click the signature button on the editing toolbar. Then save. That should be about it. Supahbadmarine 03:54, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

Contents
They should be automatic. They appear whenever you make a heading. Like the one above. --NecrusIV-(Talk) 07:24, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

By the way. Make sure to check Wki Activity from time to time. It is a useful tool and the button is at the top right of any given page. Supahbadmarine 07:50, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

Sure. I have no problem with it. Supahbadmarine 20:11, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

Already did. Pretty good. Supahbadmarine 21:44, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

Imposter101 got the pic from the link that is in my How to make a fanon Dark Eldar Kabal article. That is the only option it would seen for sourcing such a pic. Necrus and Tom used a paint package to modify the pics to suit their own colour scheme as they are a set colour scheme (as there is not a DE painter- all of them are custom done from the original canon colour schemes). Hope this helps. --A Shadow Before the Dawn 13:42, December 7, 2010 (UTC)

P.S. You can use the "signature" button instead of typing your name. This makes it easier for others to find your user page in order to leave helpful comments.

Space Primates
Hello, I have written to the Talk Page of the Space Primates, but you have so far not responded. I know how easy it can be to miss what's written on an article's talk page, so I'm writing it again here on your personal talk page.

Numbers
I like this chapter, you've got a great idea for them, but the numbers do not work any way you look at them.

Issue one: 6,000 Space Marines?

Firstly, It would be very difficult to procure enough recruits to keep a chapter at that strength without compromising the chapter's standards.

Secondly, where are you going to get the equipment for six thousand Space Marines? Jungle worlds are not famous for their industrial capacities.

1, how are your guys going to keep themselves secret, is they managed to acquire all their equipment from other worlds?

Thirdly, if these Space Marines respect Guilliman enough to split up their overstrength chapter, then they would certainly have respected him enough NOT TO GET THAT BIG IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Issue two: three battle barges is the absolute limit. Three, 3, III; any more than that, and you're gonna have the Imperial Navy, and the Inquisition, and all sorts of unhappy people asking inconvenient questions like 'who are you?'

Firstly, how are you going to keep a chapter secret when they have five battle barges? They are kind of hard to hide.

Secondly, they are even harder to find: you cannot build a battle barge in orbit of any world you please: these are not Luna-class cruisers. And you can't just go down to the nearest Adeptus Mechanicus forge world and say 'Hi, I'd like five battle barges to go please'; the Adepts would ask inconvenient questions like 'who are you?'

Misc
Firstly, why would any Space Marine be 'shocked' by a jungle world? There are lots of them in the Imperium.

Secondly, if they have been around for centuries before anyone ever heard of them, what have they been doing in the past centuries that no one has ever heard of them?

Thirdly, It is not impossible for a chapter be 'lost'; there are a number of canon chapters that have been lost to the Imperium; but only when they were stranded in a particular place. I.E. lost in the Warp, marooned on a planet. If they have space ships, then why have they not told people they exist? Why have they been keeping themselves secret?

Fourthly, how is it that the chapter's founding is a secret? I'm pretty sure the chapter would have some idea of when they were founded.

Fifthly, if they have several recruiting worlds, then it would impossible for them to remain secret; people would see these nine-foot semi-humans going around in power armor, and they'd ask inconvenient questions like 'who are you?'

1, the Imperial Navy would see the ships coming and going, and they'd ask inconvenient questions like 'who are you?'

2, the Ecclesiarchy, and possibly the Inquisition, would see all these people sending all their youths away at the same time every year and they'd want to know where they're going.

3, if the chapter has claimed a whole bunch of worlds for their own, than-

a, that is not something you can keep secret; all sorts of people are going to hear about it, and they're gonna ask inconvenient questions like 'who are you?' and-

b, unknown people going around claiming human worlds for their own is something the Imperial Guard takes issue with.

nope, just commented on it

I suppose I would be okay with that. Though I would like it if you would consult me on the creative process. Supahbadmarine 02:49, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

I am thinking black and green. They would be Chaos Undivided followers and lets put their numbers around 2000. Supahbadmarine 03:16, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

Sure. Go ahead. Supahbadmarine 16:05, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

What do you mean? Supahbadmarine 18:50, December 12, 2010 (UTC)

Well, you click add category and then type it in. If there is no existing category by the name then a page will be created. Then you click on the category and make the page. Supahbadmarine 19:56, December 12, 2010 (UTC)

Hey Primarch11. I was wondering if you would like a Vralgazi clan devoted to Mui'gam. Let me know if you would. Supahbadmarine 20:32, December 12, 2010 (UTC)

Okay. First we have to come up with a clan name. The name will end with an i that will have an ee sound. The name will translate into 'The something People'. Get back to me when you have a name. Supahbadmarine 21:09, December 12, 2010 (UTC)

So, you noticed that huh? On this subject I am sadly useless. I actually triedto correct it but could not figure out how. Sorry.:p Supahbadmarine 02:04, December 13, 2010 (UTC)

You have to be an admin to do that, i guess you just make a new one --NecrusIV-(Talk) 05:54, December 13, 2010 (UTC)

No clue. Supahbadmarine 12:22, December 14, 2010 (UTC)

I just thought that I should tell you that Jochannon has been very upset about your lack of feedback regarding his comment on your User Talk page and the Space Primates Talk page. I highly suggest you go back through these pages and see what he has to say, and then respond. Supahbadmarine 20:33, December 16, 2010 (UTC)

It is alright. Just be sure to regularly check Wiki Activity and keep on top of your articles' talk pages. If you do that you should be fine. Supahbadmarine 21:39, December 16, 2010 (UTC)

The only ones I have seen were sept symbols. Supahbadmarine 22:04, December 16, 2010 (UTC)

Space Primates
Firstly, you wrote to me 'they only have five other worlds to recruit from' but what you wrote on the article is: 'The Space Primates also have other recruiting worlds. These worlds include other Feral worlds, Jungle worlds, Dessert worlds, Ice worlds and sometimes Hive worlds. Excluding Hive worlds, the other worlds were claimed by the chapter centuries ago' Which am I supposed to believe is true?

Secondly, how many Jungle Worlds do you think there are that do not have 'really huge trees'? Seriously.

Thirdly, the Bottom Line: the maximum size of a Chapter is 1,000 Space Marines, with a maximum of three Battle Barges. THAT IS IT. Jochannon 20:22, December 17, 2010 (UTC)

FIrstly, this is not about making me feel better. It is about obeying the rules of the site: it is here for people to expand on canon without contradicting it.

Secondly: how much is a little? What parts would be changed? How would they be changed? Without those being made clear, your question is not answerable.

The two big canon problems are these:

Why is it that no-one has heard of them? It is not directly canon-hostile for them to unknown, but there must be an explanation for it. For instance, you write that 'the Space Primates were founded in utmost secrecy on order of the Inquisition, and then sent into Xeno space to deal with a specific threat: the mission was undertaken in strictest secrecy, and the Space Primates were forbidden from even revealing their existence to the rest of the Imperium.'

Their numbers: it is possible that while beyond the reach of Imperial authority they would have increased their strength to better combat the enemies of mankind, which could be written something like this: 'the Space Primates observed how their numbers waxed and waned as their constant battles took their toll, and the Great Apes began to fear that the Chapter itself was in danger of extinction. Therefore, they decided to increase their numbers, recruiting so many warriors that they rivaled the Legions of the Great Crusade.' Once they returned to the Imperium however, they would be returned to Codex size. Not optional.

Like I said, I like the idea of the Space Primates. But these need to be dealt with. Jochannon 22:14, December 17, 2010 (UTC)

Please tell me before you add to the page, Mugiam is NCF right now. Imposter101 18:18, December 18, 2010 (UTC)

I like the changes you've made, they're very good, but no. It is not okay. Read what I'm writing here: 1,000 Space Marines is the limit: they could get away with it while in wild space, but not once they've returned to the Imperium. Jochannon 19:46, December 18, 2010 (UTC)

Alright, here is my take on the situation. Firstly you need to bring down the numbers a bit. It takes exceptional circumstances for a Chapter to have more than 1000 marines. If they are going to have more than that, then you are going to have to explain why they are an exception. Also, it takes lots of controlled resources to make a SM Chapter. They don't just form on their own, the Imperium creates them. That is why them being completely unknown is unfeasible. You need to come up with an explanation for why they would have remained hidden. As far a Mui'gam goes, the problem is that you mention his followers visiting his palace. Mortals can not survive anywhere within the Warp. This would also mean that they could not enter through the Callufrax. Also, remember to ask an author before incorperating their work into your own. I hope this was helpful. If you have any questions, you should look through the Talk Pages of the articles. Supahbadmarine 21:31, December 18, 2010 (UTC)

I would ask first. Don't panic. They will only delete it if an article has not been correct in 3 weeks. Write the admins, telling them that you have fixed the articles and you would like them to take a look and take the tag off if possible. Supahbadmarine 00:29, December 19, 2010 (UTC)

I have read your revised Muigam article and I personaly feel it is no longer NCF. As the main contributer to Syrath's Warriors I feel that it is okay to have a rivallry between the two factions. I have undone your deltion and your rivalry has been returned to the page. Yours Cal_XD. --A Shadow Before the Dawn 01:09, December 19, 2010 (UTC)

Your welcome. :) --A Shadow Before the Dawn 01:26, December 19, 2010 (UTC)

NecrusIV got to 2,000 Space Marines in the Iron Scorpions by talking it out with an administrator. If you want two thousand, talk it out with an admin. But I strongly advise you to just cut the chapter down to a thousand, then wait until you are more established on the site, and the admins know you better before you try making an extra-strength Chapter. Jochannon 12:53, December 19, 2010 (UTC)

That is your choice. Just listen to what the other guys say and it will blow over quickly. They were simply saying that you should wait unti lmore people know you before you rock the boat. My suggestion is to bring the Space Primates down to 1000 for now. Later on you can have some plot twist that will justify the extra Marines. Supahbadmarine 17:17, December 19, 2010 (UTC)

Well, that is up to you. If you want a bigger force you will have to come up with an explanation as to why the Imperium would tolerate it. One that the other users would agree with. Supahbadmarine 17:43, December 19, 2010 (UTC)

That could work. However, that assumes that the Space Primates are the only significant Imperial forces in their sector. I would try to get a second opinion on that if I were you. Supahbadmarine 17:53, December 19, 2010 (UTC)

Supahbadmarine and me have thought up three different ideas which could explain the increased numbers (2000 marines) of the Space Primates.

A Shadow Before the Dawn 23:39, December 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) You could put it down to the sector being home to several Xenos races which are encroaching on Imperial space and that the Primates have been allowed such large amounts of Marines in order to purge said races and win more planets for the Imperium.
 * 2) Have them as a Space Wolves succesor and that they have an orginisational structure similar to that of their parent chapter. However that itself is bending the canon as the SW geneseed is supposedly too unstable for a Successor Chapter to be sanctioned. This was Supahbadmarines idea.
 * 3) The large numbers could be justified by combining my first idea with yours. The Imperial worlds are sparsely distributed throughout the sector, hence more Astartes were required to protect them. On top of that their has been an increased number of Xenos incursions within the sector as their are several xenos controlled planets within the area under Space Primate control. They are allowed to have a large number of Astartes in order to not only defend the sector but also to expand Imperial control throughout it, through the conquest of alien worlds.

I will write him a message telling him that you fixed the numbers, and to look over the article a final time. Supahbadmarine 04:38, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

Think nothing of it. This is a community after all. Feel free to ask for help whenever you need it. I am more than happy to provide assistance. Supahbadmarine 05:56, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

No it would not be NCF. The leader of the Warband would have to be a former Word Bearer. If you are talking about a warband for Mui'gam, then you should come up with a story as to why he would turn. I am sorry i have not been very responsive lately. I recently had surgery and have not been feeling up to do much. Supahbadmarine 18:44, December 25, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah sure man, Supahbadmarine helped most of the way (by helped he mostly wrote the entire fluff.) Its allowed and I will let you know if something is NCF. Don't worry I think you will stay true to cannon. --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 12:06, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

Hello Primarch. I could not help but notice that you have been asking Tom to make a Ultramarines/Alpha Legion mix chapter. I am sure it can be done. However, as the one who helped Tom with the fluff for the Knights of Lupercal, I feel I should warn you that what you are trying is much more difficult. This is because unlike the Space Wolves and Luna Wolves, the Ultramarines and Alpha Legion had a strong rivalry. Furthermore the Ultramarines are far more uptight than the Space Wolves. Also I feel that I should tell you that you should change the section about the Space Primates and their relationship to the Knights of Lupercal. The thing is that noone outside the Chapter besides a few very powerful individuals actually know that there is a Luna Wolves element to the Chapter. To the vast majority of the Imperium they are strictly a Space Wolves successor. Thank you for listening. Supahbadmarine 17:58, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

Well that is interesting. It seems you were leaving me a message while i was writing you one on the same subject matter. Firstly, I am feeling much better now. Also, if you manage to pull this off I would be happy for your Chapter to be an ally of the Onyx Knights. Feel free to ask for help in the creative process if you need it. Supahbadmarine 18:07, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

Wow, you have surprised me, I honestly didn't think you could pull it off without having a NCF ember firing up in the article. You have made an amazing article. Thumbs up mate. --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 23:53, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah Sure man. --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 17:57, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

Re. Your message
Cheers for your advice: been wondering how to do that. :)

Who was that? --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 18:58, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

Me, soz. Been ages since I left a message anywhere and Iphone's weren't built with wiki's in mind. Jed Revenant man 19:36, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure the Prophetic Forgiven would be well aware of your Chapters heritage. They are a division of the Inquisition who spend their time combing records and interrogating members within the Inquisition and the Adeptus Astartes in order to root out any heresies (and Geneseed flaws). They would find out about your chapter sooner or later, they discovered the heresies of The Purgatory Program. So, I think you could have them as enemies, it suits their puritanical nature as even the slightest oddity in a chapter can lead to one of their "inspections", ie. Sons of Lucifer, they have a great intrest in purging them. --A Shadow Before the Dawn 21:14, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

I've done it now. --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 21:29, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

Ok then, but it may take a while. Ill write them and tell you when I'm done. --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 14:31, December 31, 2010 (UTC)

No not yet, I'm having trouble thinking and my brain still hurts from yew years eve. --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 13:44, January 1, 2011 (UTC)

So far I have got a few:


 * Lars Skywolf. great wolf of the chapter, loves using his jump pack in battle.


 * Haakon Falconwing. Lord Rune Priest of the Knights of Lupercal, uses a jump pack and has psychic talents over some airborne creatures.


 * Egil Silvermane. Chief Iron Priest of the Knights of Lupercal, owns 2 mechanical wolves and is one of the few not to won a jump pack.


 * Nils Bloodtalon. Venerable dreadnought, wields an assault cannon and a blood red power claw, covered in totems.


 * Francis Bloodtooth. A Wolf Lord Very fond of drop pods, using a fierce rain of them to hail down and destroy there enemies.

This is what I've got so far, I will send you some more when my brain works again. --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 18:44, January 1, 2011 (UTC)

Happy new year to you as well. --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 19:52, January 1, 2011 (UTC)

Do you mean Lars, Yeah. Also do you want a list of all there weaponry. --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 21:02, January 1, 2011 (UTC)

Good Name Idea. Here is the list of all the guys weapons.


 * Lars Skywolf, Uses runic armour, a jump pack, a Frostblade, a plasma Pistol and a tiny circlet of gold (which has a built in iron halo).


 * Haakon Falconwing, Wears Runic armour, a jump pack, a runic axe (force weapon) and a bolt pistol, also has a psyker-raven


 * Egil Silvermane, Has a servo-harness, runic armour and a 2 handed power axe, owns 2 mechanical wolves and is one of the few not to won a jump pack.


 * Nils Bloodtalon., wields an assault cannon and a blood red power claw, covered in totems.


 * Francis Bloodtooth, wears a jump pack, has 2 powerfists and a wrist mounted meltagun.

Here they are. If I come up with more of them I will tell ya. --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 21:13, January 1, 2011 (UTC)

Thank you Primarch 11. Imposter101 21:58, January 1, 2011 (UTC)

Here's a link to the War-legion page http://warhammer40kfanon.wikia.com/wiki/War-Legions_of_Syrath%27s_Warriors#List_of_War_Legions and here's a link to Syrath's Warriors page http://warhammer40kfanon.wikia.com/wiki/Syrath%27s_warriors

Imposter101 22:04, January 1, 2011 (UTC)

Plus the War-legion page is only there to give you data about the 4th War-legion. Write it in the Syarth's Warriors page. Imposter101 22:05, January 1, 2011 (UTC)

Ok then, How about this:

Sven Icewalker, Rides his thunderwolf Known as Icetooth the black. Wields a thunder hammer and a storm shield.

Does this work

Ok then, How about this:

Sven Icewalker, Rides his thunderwolf Known as Icetooth the black. Wields a thunder hammer and a storm shield.

Does this work --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 02:35, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, I'll add the Crimson Marauders to the enemies section.

oops forgot to sign Hallen979 03:10, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

Re:
Yup, that was me. Cannabalised that particular thing and turned it into Crusade, which is horribly NCF: but I don't mind. Jed Revenant man 01:33, January 4, 2011 (UTC)

While 2 is a good number, I think we can have 1 or 2 more, why, which legions were you thinking of. Check the site for which legions have been used in a chapter. Try not to use the same legion twice. But yeah, give it a shot.

Tell me which legion your going to use, cause I'm curious. --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 01:29, January 7, 2011 (UTC)

Cheers dude, nice to be appreciated. And thank you for the offer; I will most definitely consider it. And this is how you put your foot in your mouth like an expert... 13:36, January 7, 2011 (UTC)

Interesting. I would say word bearers probably wouldn't be possible. Due to the fact that the entire legion were corrupted quite badly, I think any loyalists would be put under so many tests they would just say "right forget it.".

I don't really know if the world eaters would be taken, theyre a bit too violent. All or them have there nerves rewired to fight in an unholy rage. They would probably be shunned by everybody.

And night lords, Well do you mind, I was going to make a night lords and blood angels successor. They would be Called The Children of Shadows. However If you want we could both do it.

Id say the others though, go for it. --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 14:38, January 7, 2011 (UTC)

I think it will work. good luck to you man. --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 17:17, January 7, 2011 (UTC)

Looks good so far. Supahbadmarine 01:36, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

Sadly I won't be doing much editing for the next month or so due to computer problems. But when Its sorted I wil show you and everything. --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 18:38, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

It isn't too much to ask at all. They'll be in the next chapter, probs; gonna have the Emperor Externinatus the future Tau world, so the Gamma Dragons can appear then quite easily. Any name you'd want for their Captain (probs just a Company Captain)? Also, if I did use use them, in this Chapter, would it be possible to reuse them in later chapters? Not to spoil the story, but suffice I to say there's gonna be some nice conflict and showing multiple Chapters at war will be lovely, and using previously used characters and killing them is a good ploy to use. Also thanks for mentioning Erebus; gave me a great idea for how to continue the plot. And this is how you put your foot in your mouth like an expert... 22:13, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

At the moment ive got little idea of what Im going to do with my BA/NL chapter, Ill start when its all sorted but thanks for the offer.

on the idea of the pilgrimage, Brilliant. --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 12:13, January 11, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah that frost blade is a sword (although it can be an axe). Hes Standard equiptment (which I use in games) is: Frostblade (or powersword, which are sort of the same thing,) Plasma pistol, Runic Armour, Belt of russ, Jump Pack, Wolftooth necklace, Meltabombs and sometimes a wolftail talismen. --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 14:05, January 13, 2011 (UTC)

It's going ok. The next chapter's been started, just not finished. Exams, grrr. I'll get it done certainly before the end of the month at the very latest.thanks for asking, and don't worry; Gamma Dragons are most definitely in it. And this is how you put your foot in your mouth like an expert... 23:20, January 14, 2011 (UTC)

I think the idea of making a brotherhood page for loyalist survivors of traitor legions would be good.

Can I see some of your Lars Pictures.

And good luck to your WE/WC successor. --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 20:55, January 16, 2011 (UTC)

I've changed my Space marine Night lord Blood Angel Successor slightly. There now called the Shadow Lords, and is a Raven guard and Night Lords chapter. --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 22:06, January 16, 2011 (UTC)

I would say the 1st picture for 2 reasons. First of all, he looks cooler, he looks like an old warrior and a bit more secretive. Secondly, because the other photo not only has a marine who looks younger, but clearly has a fist on his shoulder pad (which, unless there symbol is a fist, will cause problems). --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 22:25, January 16, 2011 (UTC)

Sounds brilliant man. Go for it. --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 23:04, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I have noticed that as well. If he had a proper account, I would be giving him a stern talking to right now. Supahbadmarine 21:14, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

Same here. I am geenerally easygoing, but I put a lot of thought into my articles. Supahbadmarine 21:20, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

I am not so sure on that one. You have to remeber that the imperium is leery of Psykers in general. Putting one in what is essentially a walking tank for all eternity probably would not appeal to them. You will have a hard time selling that, but I like the idea and if you can find a way to make it work then go for it. On an earlier note, if the guy from before goes after the Character I am currently working on, then I will personally abandon my loyalties to Tzeentch and bust out the Chainaxe. Supahbadmarine 21:35, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

First I would like to point out that it would be better to see the Chapters once you make them and then comment. So far everything is good, but I am curious as to how you are going to combine the Imperial Fists and the Iron Soldiers. It is true that they have a similar specialization, but they have hated each other for a long time. Also, going by their characteristics, I would have gone with Salamanders?Derath Guard, and Dark Angels?Word Bears instead. Of coarse that is just my opinion. I hope this helped. Supahbadmarine 22:03, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

I think the reasons will work, they sound plausible. --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 13:30, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

Very cool. The Prophets of the Lion will probably be very good heretic hunters. The fire guardians are going to be tough to kill, after all they are made from a chapter known for it's grit and relentlessness and a chapter known for it fortitude. As far as the IF/IW thing goes, I was not underestimating your abilities. It is simply that the IF and the IW probably had the worst relationship between any two legions. After all it was las the Alpha Legion and the Ultramarines who simply had strategic differences, their problem with each other was much more personal. Supahbadmarine 16:36, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

Hi Primarch11. Have'nt seen you around lately. I was wondering if you could give me some opinions on my character Ezekiel Cornatus. I want to get more feedback on him than I have been getting. So if you have time go to the articles talk page and leave a message. BTW I like what you have been doing with the conglomerate Chapters so far. Supahbadmarine 21:51, January 25, 2011 (UTC)

Awesome! TardirProductions 14:21, January 27, 2011 (UTC)

Sure. It seems to me that the Onyx Knights would get along with them quite well. Supahbadmarine 18:39, January 27, 2011 (UTC)

I have added the Fire Guardians to the Onyx Knight's allies. I look forward to crusading with you. Supahbadmarine 21:54, January 27, 2011 (UTC)

Three things.

1. I already know that. It's kinda... obvious.

2. I wouldn't call it "my" chapter.

3. Having a category article on a wiki with only one entry on it serves no purpose but clutter. Creating categories only serves a purpose when there are enough articles within the category to warrant having a category. --Lither My talk 03:40, January 29, 2011 (UTC)

hey Primarch11. you should check this out. Supahbadmarine 19:52, January 30, 2011 (UTC)

I can understand how you feel. I am glad you are undetered by this. Though i have to say that this idea has escalated quite a bit. Originally I had just made a single loyalist survivor. Now there are a bunch of part loyalist Chapters popping up. Supahbadmarine 20:33, January 30, 2011 (UTC)

There is nothing particularly wrong with that. Many Space Marine Chapters produce unique variations of equipment. Supahbadmarine 20:49, January 30, 2011 (UTC)

So, do you intend to allow dirge to add his Iron Guardians to the Brotherhood? Supahbadmarine 20:53, January 30, 2011 (UTC)

I have to say, that is very fair and reasonable of you Primarch. I hope it works out. Supahbadmarine 21:07, January 30, 2011 (UTC)

Me too. To be honest i am trying to get some work done on the projectas that i have put on hold. I have my work cut out for me considering the fact that the vast majority of my articles are incomplete. Supahbadmarine 21:13, January 30, 2011 (UTC)

I am sure he will be reasonable. BTW I feel i should warn you that Dirge has a bad habit of reponding to messages on his Talk page. Supahbadmarine 21:15, January 30, 2011 (UTC)

i think it would be fine to honor the Imperial Saints but i doubt that they would worship the Machine God. Really the only reason that that religion is tolerated is because the Imperium would fall apart without the Adeptus Mechanicus. Supahbadmarine 21:29, January 30, 2011 (UTC)

About my Iron Guardians. No hard feelings. That was someone on my end, sorry about that. As for an alliance with the fire guardians, why not?

Regards -DirgeOfCerberus111 23:18, January 30, 2011 (UTC)

Ithing you should go ahead with the Brotherhood. Having that as a background may help you to better define the characteristics of it's individual members. After all, the article does not have to be too big, and you can develope it more later if you feel like it. Supahbadmarine 21:39, February 2, 2011 (UTC)

Your welcome. Supahbadmarine 21:41, February 2, 2011 (UTC)

I honestly don't know. I suppose either go with what you feel, or toss a coin. --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 22:04, February 2, 2011 (UTC)

I just tried something to fixit. However I onlt learned how to add images recently. You might want to ask Tom. Supahbadmarine 00:36, February 3, 2011 (UTC)

Can my Iron Guardians be a separate group of loyalist iron warriors and ally to your titanium fists?

Regards -DirgeOfCerberus111 06:28, February 3, 2011 (UTC)

I'm kind of confused by what you asked. By the look of it, its already done. --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 13:55, February 3, 2011 (UTC)

The Idea of putting a librarian into a dreadnought isn't new and is possible. Remember, The Blood Angels can even field them on the battlefield and have a unit entry and also the Grey knights have Dreadnoughts (and every one of them is a psyker) so Yes it is possible. --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 14:00, February 3, 2011 (UTC)

I think Regis Drazen is the First Chapter Master. --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 09:26, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry slight change, the First chapter Master of the Knights of Lupercal was Kjal Falcontalon. Sorry about that. --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 15:39, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

I do have the Dark Fists, Golden Ravens and Knights of Wrath. And i like the Thousand Sons better than the Alpha Legion, but the Alpha Legion is cool too. TardirProductions 13:55, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, just make sure that if you include the Red Crusaders in the Titanium Fists' storyline, that the Red Crusaders are a bunch of tech-heads, alike their Chapter Master. TardirProductions 16:46, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

??? TardirProductions 16:55, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

Okay. Randomness is epic TardirProductions 16:58, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

To do that you do just the same you do with other links, it is that simple, really. TardirProductions 17:03, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

You do this:, with a word in the middle and then you've got a link. It works for me. TardirProductions 17:14, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

You're welcome. Now imme go play as the Titanium Fists in Dawn of War, bwahahahaha!!!

Forgot to sign, lol. TardirProductions 17:26, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, i must make a screenshot for the Kabal of the Lurking Roses anyways. TardirProductions 23:01, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

Hey. Me and Tardir are planning a little war between the Hedoth, Mutacrat, Imperium, Eldar and Necrons. We are trying to ask the community who should win. You will find some details on the Mutacrat Talk page. Please give us some feedback. Supahbadmarine 23:40, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

Right, judging from the 2 chapters, I would say rivals. for 4 reasons.

1: some of the Older knights were with the emperor when he told off lorgar, and as such they see that religion will destroy all and so they will be against the eclesiarch.

2: the KOL have there sort of totem gods (like the space wolves) and the ecclesiarch see it as bad.

3: space wolves hate dark Angels, and that hasn't gone away on the dual seed of the KOL.

4: KOl hate word bearers with passion for turning Lorgar and so I don't know how much they would trust them.

So I would say rivals, its fine though, I think an inner group rivalry would be good. --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 14:56, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah I saw it, Love it man. --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 23:41, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

It is going exellently. TardirProductions 13:33, February 15, 2011 (UTC)

The thing i said was Blood RAVENS and Thousand Sons. I call them the Blood Sons. And Dark Angels and Emprah's Children. TardirProductions 18:38, February 15, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. :) Have you read my new Stalking Chameleons article? A Shadow Before the Dawn 23:58, February 17, 2011 (UTC)

I'll check them out. A Shadow Before the Dawn 00:09, February 18, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah I saw it, looks cool. --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 20:14, February 18, 2011 (UTC)

Hey Primarch11, it's Palamon Justinian. Was just wondering if your new Chapter, the Infinite Angels, could be close allies with the Iron Hawks, my own Chapter. Please leave a message to tell me what you think. Tahnks :)

To be honest, I don't like the idea. What is the point of being part Blood Angels if they don't have the Gene defect? Supahbadmarine 19:28, February 21, 2011 (UTC)

The Prophetic Forgiven would not be enemies of the Infinite Angels as the PF have their own agenda... A Shadow Before the Dawn 20:45, February 21, 2011 (UTC)

Read the geneseed section of the Prophetic Forgiven an dyou may be able to deduce why. A Shadow Before the Dawn 21:07, February 21, 2011 (UTC)

Sure and cool idea. --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 18:20, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I am still working on Crusade; believe it or not it's one two thousand ish word chapter away from being completed, and then I'm going to write a sequel, probably in Summer. It's just finding time; I have a lot of work to do and then there's auditions for drama courses at uni and then an amateur film project with a mate... I promise, an update is coming. And this is how you put your foot in your mouth like an expert... 20:57, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

It can potentially be done. However you would have to proceed carefully. It would make for a very interesting character. I aprove. Supahbadmarine 04:24, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

A New Project
Since I've helped you in the past and you have likewise reciprocated by showing an intrest in my work I would like you to help me in my project of the Revenant Tigers. Also, if their are other users that you think would be intrested please message them as well (although I've already messaged Tom and Supahbadmarine BTW). A Shadow Before the Dawn 15:35, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

Just check out the Revenant Tigers page and decide what area you would like to conribute to. :) A Shadow Before the Dawn 17:58, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

still a good idea. In fact it makes it better. Supahbadmarine 18:10, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

That is up to you to decide. I however, would finish the brotherhood first. Supahbadmarine 20:25, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for informing me. Very nice start and I've commented on the Talk page. A Shadow Before the Dawn 18:55, February 27, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I just changed the quotes to have the quote template. A Shadow Before the Dawn 19:24, February 27, 2011 (UTC)

Grim would probably meet them at some point after 970.M41, also feel free to start the Shadow Claws page if you like (since they are heavily linked to your Sensei). A Shadow Before the Dawn 20:09, February 27, 2011 (UTC)

You can choose the colour scheme.They would be under the command of Captain Felix Aral and they have a young trainee Epistolary in their tanks. Their numbers would be 20-35 of them. A Shadow Before the Dawn 20:31, February 27, 2011 (UTC)

I'll write the background for you. I'm also happy for other marines to join their cause as long as they are lead by Felix. The Shadow Claws would have been founded by Felix but then sort of adopt other outcasts. So the Shadow Claws end up as the Astartes group of the Wandering Shadows under the overall leadership of Grim. Also an Epistolary is a Librarian, although on second thoughts the Psyker should actually be a Codicer (lower ranking than both a Chief Librarian and an Epistolary) as he would have been more likely to have been overlooked.

Rather than having a mutation it would male more sense if they were reliant on advanced teleporters (like stolen Eldar Warp Spider devices). Also I would be more than happy to hear suggestions for more notable members. :) A Shadow Before the Dawn 00:47, March 1, 2011 (UTC)

Really? That would be great. Supahbadmarine 01:23, March 1, 2011 (UTC)

I would go with Bjorn. An interesting coincidense considering that they are old buddies. Supahbadmarine 01:38, March 1, 2011 (UTC)

would you mind putting it up? Supahbadmarine 01:46, March 1, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, and yes I did. One of your finer works if I do say so. Supahbadmarine 01:49, March 1, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Shadow Claws
Here is what I envisioned the original Shadow Claws to number: 1 Captain; 1 Codicer and 31 standard Battle Brothers. They are all hell bent on striking out against the Imperium through acts of violence. Now here are the astartes who I approve and don't approve of you having as adopted Shadow Claws: I would also suggest looking to have marines from a variety of other lesser known and fanon chapters amongst their ranks. We should both start asking people to contribute a renegade or 10 to the terrorist group.A Shadow Before the Dawn 17:34, March 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * Revenant Tiger Chaplain: Yes: He takes up one of the survivors slots. And you have sound reasoning for why he might survive. Or even better he could have been a Chaplain in training, making him even more likely to be overlooked.
 * RT Scout(s): Maybe make it 3 or 4. They could have been cut off from the rest of the chapter and they just hid until the fighting was over. They add 4 more personel to the Renegade Group.
 * RT Sergeant: He can take up a survivors slot. Neat idea, I guess he could have been attached to a Tactical Squad which survived.
 * RT Assault Marines: They would probably be able to recover Jump Packs from the feild of battle.
 * Damaged Dreadnought: YES!!! Awesome idea. They need a firebase for supporting the Wandering Shadows. However have the Dreadnought originate from another chapter (preferably fanon). I may ask Tom if he would lkie it to be a Knights of the Hammer one.
 * Apothecary: NO, simply because they should not have one. The point of the Shadow Claws is they are seeking an honourable death for their Chapter(s) not wanting to prolong it.
 * Random Terminator: Possibly, but you could just have it that the Shadow Claws have a few recovered sets of their armour.
 * Deathwatch Tiger: NO, he would have been killed on sight with out a chance to flee.
 * Emperors Iron Techmarine: Yes; Perfect, cause they need someone to fix their armour. However, you need to have a good reason for him going rogue though. Like being left for dead trapped under a collapsed Dreadnought.
 * Fallen Angel: Yes, fits with the idea of them being renegades.
 * Legion of the Damned and Space Wolf: NO