Talk:Korpiklaani

So if these guys are so Badass, how are you supposed to fight them? Supahbadmarine 16:48, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

They are always "nice" to the enemy and they are only really using their powers in full scale invasions, wich is always against them, they are never really making full scale invasions against people. TardirProductions 16:51, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

Keep in mind that if the Imperium classifies a Xeno Species under dangerous, they will go all out to kill them all or quarintine them in a part of space. They would definately not like the idea of these guys joining the Tau. Supahbadmarine 16:54, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

That bleeping internet connection is ruining my editing, gah! But anyways, the Korpiklaani sees the Imperium as their enemies, and the Imperium have almost forgotten everything about them. Only the Reptiles' Veterans know of them. TardirProductions 17:14, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

You should write a description of them and their physical traits. Otherwise noone will know what they look like. Supahbadmarine 17:30, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

They seem horrendously over-powered. Not that this is a bad thing, but the Imperium are incredibly lazy and would just launch exterminatus on a race that was this powerful. I would like to make a suggestion to their development in regards to technology. I think you should have it that they have not developed much technology of their own; instead they manipulate and incorporate the tech of others into "new" pieces of equipment ie. retrofitting Tau technology to be incorporated into that of Imperial technology. In effect they would be a "magpie race" as they take/steal neat equipment from other race to improve their own to be a lot better- sort of like Tyranids do with organic matter. A Shadow Before the Dawn 17:52, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

That is what they are, and the Imperium have tried to launch Exterminatus orders against them, but they have always stopped them. TardirProductions 18:00, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

Compltly over powered and there are little ways of betting them this is heading into the Realm of NCF Imposter101 18:03, December 2, 2010 (UTC)



Hard to believe that they will head into that realm, cuz overpowered races are allowed and it's not having anything to do with canon, hah!! TardirProductions 19:09, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

Still, you should take their advice. Heinously overpowered groups/characters/Xenos make for bad writing and a very boring read. Also, it is my personal belief that regardless of how badass anyone is they should get their asses kicked at least once. The galaxy is a harsh place after all. Also write a description so that we know what they look like. Supahbadmarine 19:12, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, Supahbadmarine is right. Even his heartless Derkallen have some weaknesses: Psykers can mess up their tech; if they lose their Palash they lose their purpose: this leads to a insanity, suicide etc. and they can be killed through superior firepower.A Shadow Before the Dawn 19:17, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

Consequently, if you put a single squad of Derkallen warriors against one squad of Space Marines, the marines would probably win. Supahbadmarine 19:20, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

This is NCF your compleatly ignorent and can't exepet your wrong read the bloody NFC example. Imposter101 19:24, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

That's an intresting point Supahbadmarine. BTW, I have started on a sketch of a Derkallen. @Imposter101: I do find it somewhat ironic that you are harassing this newer member for being NCF as when you started off writing some very NCF stuff (as I should know, given I edited so much of it). You only need to point it out once. If it really is NCF a mod will sort it out in the next couple of days. A Shadow Before the Dawn 19:32, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

Yes I am aware that there is plenty to be desired with some of my articles. I would like to point out that He has not actually put anything NCF in this article yet. It is a tad unrealistic. Also all of my criticism on any page is entended to help the author and I welcome criticism in turn. Also, Tardir, please read above. I feel like there are so many comments that you might be missing some. Supahbadmarine 19:38, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

Actually i was going to make a list over weaknesses, but the damn internet connection screwed it up. TardirProductions 19:40, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

@Cal XD Can you tell me which things where NCF (This aint a insualt) Imposter101 20:03, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

Reptiles
Firstly, what the hell are Reptiles doing there? Their homeworld is noted as 'Nocturne, Possibly Armageddon' which is halfway across the galaxy from the Tau empire; whywould the Reptiles be dispatched across half the Imperium just to investigate a primitive planet?

The Reptiles were already on a mission nearby so they investigated this too. TardirProductions 21:10, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

It'd have to be something major.--Jochannon 22:25, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

Thunderhawks
Secondly, Thunderhawks are short-ranged attack craft carried aboard Space Marine Battle Barges and Strike Cruisers; supposing for a moment, that a small Space Marine scouting force was landed, and the Korpiklaani wiped them out, their friends in orbit would not turn around and leave: the very least they'd do would be to destroy the Thunderhawks from orbit to deny their technology tothe natives, and more probably they'd call down Exterminatus on the planet.

The Cruiser that carried the scout force were already iliminated, i will write an explaination for that in the article next time i edit it or sumthin. TardirProductions 21:13, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

The word is 'eliminated' and it'd have to be a pretty good one.--Jochannon 22:25, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

Technology
No. Frigging. Way.

Firstly, the Tau do not even trust their technology with their actual allies: the Krrot, Vespid, and Nicassar: they will only give their powerful Pulse Rifles to the most trusted of Kroot leaders. There is no way they would give their technology to an alien race that refusedto join them in the Greater Good.

Secondly, the Eldar have 1, no damn reason to enter into any treaty with them, and 2, have been known to destroy entire planetary populations to keep their tech out of the hands of other races.

Maybe it was one of my fanon Tau Septs and one of my fanon Eldar Craftworlds..... TardirProductions 21:15, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

It is theoretically possible that the Tau would trade some of their tech for services rendered, but there is no flippin' way the Crafworld Eldar would give their tech to ANYBODY.--Jochannon 22:25, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

I hate to admit it but he is right. The Eldar are a declining race. They are doing everything in their power to keep their people going. Making another race stronger by allowing them to use their technology is something they would not do. Furhtermore all allies are temporary with the Eldar. Supahbadmarine 22:33, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

How about if i make it that they killed some Eldar with their recently achieved Tau technology and used the armour, weaponry and machinery? TardirProductions 00:51, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

That could work. you would have to keep in mind that Eldar tech is incredibly advanced. It is doubtful that the Korpiklaani would be able to reverse-engineeer it. So they probably would not have enough to make a difference. Supahbadmarine 01:02, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

The Korpiklaani is very intelligent(Thats the Tau's work), they could surely figure out much about Eldar technology. TardirProductions 02:00, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

Timeline
And finally, it would be impossible for the Tau to have had much of an effect on them over their 3,000 year history, because the Tau homeworld was isolated from the rest of the universe by an enormous Warp Storm that lasted from M35 to M41; a little over 6,000 years.

The Tau have many homeworlds. And let me ask, if that warp storm kept the Tau away from other forces, how could the Tau Septs T'au and Fal'Shia have participated in the Kronus and Kaurava Conflict? TardirProductions 21:17, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

To quote Lexicanum 'the Tau home planet, was discovered in 789.M35 by the Adeptus Mechanicus. . . Before the planet could be cleansed and colonized by the Imperium however, a violent Warp storm erupted around the planet. This continued for 6,000 years, making the Tau's homeworld utterly inaccessible. '--Jochannon 21:56, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

Comment still stands. How could they have participated in the Kronus and Kaurava Conflicts that was in the late 30th millenium(Or was it the 31st? I am beginning to mess up the dates)? TardirProductions 00:53, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

Conclusion
In conclusion, this article needs either a complete rewrite or a speedy deletion. Jochannon 19:42, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

I was right for once ... that is a supprise Imposter101 20:03, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

Well, it seems it is NCF, but if Tardir asks for help in making it legal I will gladly help. Supahbadmarine 20:06, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

Plus the Eldar would probaly still attack, Pirates , "Dark" Eldar, and most Craftworlds would still battle them and Tau dont make allies they crush races then say they are Allies. Eldar use races not make friends with those who are a threat and if they say there going to help you it just means it benifits  Them.Imposter101 20:08, December 3, 2010 (UTC) 

The article isn't finished, and there are explainations for most of the stuff you say is NFC, just that i haven't written it on the article yet. TardirProductions 21:19, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

Is this going to become a war between Jochannon and Tardir? It sure looks that way to me. Supahbadmarine 22:15, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

You should check out my Mutacrat. My brand new Xeno race. You should also look at it's layout. It might help you organize this article. Supahbadmarine 00:10, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

Would be grateful if you helped me, and i already have checked them out(But i got distracted by a book i am reading, lolz) TardirProductions 00:38, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

War beetween me and Johcannon? Wonder who would win. I am a Sogning, and us Sognings dosen't give up easily, and i like arguments. I could stand against 20 people in an internet argument(Trust me, i have done that before. Fun, actually). TardirProductions 01:01, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

Sure. I would be happy to help you. Also on the timeline thing. You might not want to take a video game seriously. They can be similar to when a Movie based on a game is made. They just don't get everything right. Supahbadmarine 01:04, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

We can make the book Eragon an example, it is an awesome book, but then they made a movie based on it and they ruined it. I hate the director of that movie. But anyways, i am going to copy some stuff from your Mutacrat article(Just the title thingys) TardirProductions 01:10, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

Cool with me. Supahbadmarine 01:13, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

I am done with todays edit, i rewrote all the article. TardirProductions 01:58, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

It is a pretty good rewrite. Supahbadmarine 02:03, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Would like to see Johcannon's face now that he can't complain too much over that it is NFC, lolz. TardirProductions 02:07, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

And Imposter's face too, thet'd be hilarious. Well, i don't actually cnow.

Take it easy on Jo and Imposter. They are not that bad. People just get fired up about keeping the articles canon friendly. Supahbadmarine 02:19, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

Shouldn't at least Imposter keep his nose out of my buissness? TardirProductions 02:22, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

Don't worry about it. Criticism means one of two things. Either they are taking the article seriously, or it's just that bad. I am fairly certain it is not the second one. Criticism is a good tool for inhancing an article. Supahbadmarine 02:27, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

I know that Joh takes it seriously(If not then, then!!!), but Imposter should mind his own buisness. As far as i know he finds an NFC sentence, and he calls all the article NFC. That is the image i have of him... In my mind..... I don't wanna go all The Matrix about that...... TardirProductions 02:31, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

I like your edits, it's a vast improvement. As it is written now, it sounds like they could be an evolution from Exodite Eldar, which would explain a lot of things, including why the Eldar would deal with them, and their long stone age.

Like I said, I like your edits, but I believe you should rewrite this: 'the Korpiklaani joined the Tau Empire as the 3rd strongest, but eventually became stronger than the Kroot and became the 2nd strongest race.' It's an awkward sentence and the Tau Empire is not set up along power lines like that. Additionally, if they are the second most powerful race in the Tau Empire, you should probably explain how it is that they've never shown up in canon. As written, it is not canon-hostile, but nor is it exactly canon-friendly either.Jochannon 08:54, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

Im not pissied that you claim your super race artical is no longer NFC, just how ignorent you are at times thinking space marines would be scared and Tau wouldnt try to assit them out of "friendlieness" probaly fear. Imposter101 09:33, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

The Korpiklaani is actually feared by the Imperium, even though they aren't interfering in Imperial Campaigns. The Imperium fear their extreme speed. A Korpiklaan could kill several Tactical Marine Squads in a couple of seconds. TardirProductions 12:50, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

A couple of seconds (Imposter101 grabs a chair and smashes it into window)  WHAT?!?!?1/1?!?1?1/11//1?/1 

Imposter101 14:54, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

Plus my Space marines can fire bolts out of there arse and lightning bolts from there mouths Imposter101 14:58, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

If they have joined the Tau, then they would be interfering with Imperial campaigns; ever hear of the Damocles Crusade? And there are very few creatures capable of killing 'several Tactical Marine Squads in a couple of seconds'; they're called Greater Daemons.

Meanwhile, the personal references to myself and Imposter101 have moved this discussion from the academic level down to a personal one, so I shall go speak to an administrator.--Jochannon 15:20, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you Jonachannon Imposter101 15:31, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

It's you guys that is still complaining. And the reference on you guys was a joke, understand? TardirProductions 15:36, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

Not all jokes are funny, mainly personal ones Imposter101 15:41, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

It wasn't that personal. And it's the internet, it's not supposed to be taken seriously. TardirProductions 15:46, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

You aint aloud to make "personal jokes" on this site and genrely super races desstroy them selfs Imposter101 15:49, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

The Korpiklaani is a peaceful, weak species, u think they would kill eachother? No, they wouldn't. TardirProductions 15:51, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

Nearly all Fictional/Sci-fi races or groups destroy them selfs and if they got better Pychich powers than Eldar another Chaos god is on its way. Imposter101 15:58, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

Only the trained ones have better psychic abilities than the Eldar, and they are following the Nature Gods, almost the same as the Greater Good, but a little bit different. TardirProductions 16:13, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

More fake idols Imposter101 16:17, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

You mean gods? It is(Or at least should be) allowed to create fanon gods. You couldn't expect me to say that they follow Khaine, or Tzeentch. TardirProductions 16:20, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

It was just  C haos talk Imposter101 16:23, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

Okay........................................................................................................................................................... TardirProductions 16:25, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

But any way these Nature gods dont sound very "God like" ;) Imposter101 16:27, December 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ignoring* TardirProductions 16:28, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

What is the problem with different gods? Each race has their own neliefs that they follow. Besides it does not sound like these are Chaos Gods who regularly interfere with the mortal realm. Supahbadmarine 18:26, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

Ye, he has no reason for being a niding about it. TardirProductions 19:02, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

Actually it is a given that they would either have their own gods or have faith in some principal like the Tau. Supahbadmarine 19:04, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

I forgot to add the Sarcasim button  Imposter101 19:20, December 4, 2010 (UTC) 

My bad for not picking up on it. Supahbadmarine 19:32, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

I miss our Empty boasting :) Imposter101 19:52, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

I can boast with the best of them and mine are not usually empty. Supahbadmarine 20:02, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

I can see that this has calmed down a little bit, but regardless. Everyone, I'd like to direct you to the rules, particularly #12, |No flaming or trolling. Tardir, regardless of whether or not you viewed your comments as joking, they were antagonistic and hence, you were flaming them. This is completely unacceptable on this wiki, and as such this will count as a warning on the matter. Think about how people may take what you post in future, in order to avoid this. To Imposter and Supahbadmarine, your comments were necessary to ensure proper wikia guidelines were met, but in future, realize that telling someone that their article is Non-canon friendly may be offensive to them as writers, and as such it is important to make sure that they understand that this is not a mark against their work, but merely a more specific form of constructive criticism. If this is not done, the writer may feel provoked and respond aggressively.

All cleared up? Good. If any of you have anything more to say on the matter, please ensure you do it in a civil and productive manner. - Blade bane

Ouch. When did I say something that would need a lecture? Oh well, hopefully things won't require Blade Bane to come again and bring down the hammer. Supahbadmarine 08:02, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

Haha, that's just me being serious. Last time I came down with the hammer, I RAEG'd so much that I wrote out like 5000+ characters of me telling a guy why he was a tool, and eventually just banned him forever. I realized how crazy I went later, because I banned myself for, like a day so that I'd calm down. It was pretty funny, I should try to find you the logs :P. Blade bane

Still, I feel for Tardir. Making your own xenos is one of the harder things to do. I should know, I own 1/3 of the Xeno species on the site. Supahbadmarine 08:21, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, also: DIRECTED AT TARDIR I should probably specify, that warning I gave you isn't something that counts to your banning status. It's just a recommendation on civilly, not an official warning. No one here has done anything particularly bad, which is why I just gave everyone a sort of talk-down. Blade bane

I am unable to find a sentence that makes sense about that i respond aggressively..... I got a reason but it is hard to explain, and i won't try to either. TardirProductions 16:03, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

Ithink it might have been the comments about Imposter minding his own buisiness. Supahbadmarine 16:07, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

I was trying so, so hard to resist rejoining this "discussion", and I wisely stayed out of it while it was at its most heated. However there is a massive point that defy the cannon and several other nunaces. Yours, Cal_XD --A Shadow Before the Dawn 17:13, December 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) Now this is the biggest one. The Tau did not start their expansion until M41 after the Warp Storm that shrouded their planet had dissapated. Therefore it would have been impossible to come into contact with the Korpiklaani before the 41st Millenium: So the sentence: "eventually in the 40th Millenium the Korpiklaani joined the Tau Empire as Recon and Stealth units" is actually Non-Cannon Friendly. On a similar note, this makes their origin story absurd as the Tau could never have possibly sent Orca's to investigate a planet, let alone get into space, prior to M41. Since your origin story is set before M40 (according to your own writting) it is NCF as no Tau in space prior to the 41st millenium.
 * 2) Eldar Technology is incredibly difficult to incorporate into other technology. And I doubt that any race, other than the Eldar, has such an affinity with their souls that they can have "a Walker similar to the Eldar Wraithlord". It is one thing to steal an use another race's technology, it is quite another to understand it in order to build your own copies. The idea that they can "build" Eldar technology is bordering on NCF. That is unless they are some kind of Sub-breed Eldar in which case it could be acceptable. But you do need to explain HOW they are able to use it rather than just saying that they have done so.

I was wonderinf where you had gone in this discussion. Nice to have you back. Oh, I decided to include Syrath in the Vralgazi backstory by the way. Supahbadmarine 17:15, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

........ Okay, imma just delete the article if i can..... TardirProductions 18:05, December 5, 2010 (UTC)