User:NecrusIV/Sandbox5

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I'm a Marxist. What do you expect.

General smash glass if in emergency comments
"Australia is too Socialist"

"Socialism causes apathy"

"It's okay to stand up for what you believe in, but it comes to a point where the unions get too powerful and they send the country broke"

"It's not all about you, you know"

- About protesting, or something regarding revolutionary activity. I don't fucking know any more

"Don't you think that you guys' approach is a bit vicious and venomous?"

- Twat who bothered us and continued to bother us under the delusional thought that he was doing us a favour by talking to us

"Have you ever actually met a rich person before?"

- Same guy. Doesn't know I come from a bourgeois family of whom, whilst never having told me their yearly earnings, gave be a strong enough impression when they could afford to send two kids to a private school at the same time and still have enough money to buy a BMW 5 series and Mercedes Benz SLK

"Go get a job"

- Steve H. A right wing, racist, politically stupid, homophobic, misogynistic bigot. I can't actually reduce this description of him any further without losing information, seriously.

"fuck up steve"

- I'm glad at least some people have some common sense.

"know what maybe stop protesting and get off your ass get a job and save some money? I may not go to uni but I sure know what my mates get up to"

- Steve. Again

"It is a good investment"

- Again on those fucking jets

"Who are you all targeting now?"

- Somebody I'm related to in regards to my comrades and I

"Left wing fuck."

- Some man in a suit

"get a job you dole bludger!"

- Some man to a comrade of mine, who uh, you know, has a job

"They just take it too far and become fedora fags"

- Someone on the subject of socialists

Relating to the Liberal Gov's Budget, 2014
"Abbott's cuts to education are a response to Gillard's and Rudd's welfare payouts"

"Oh but those fighter planes are a good investment. It's a catch 22 situation, defend Australia or save money"

- Defend us from what? Indonesia? China? New Zealand?

"People appreciate things that they pay for. With free education people will just be going to university for no good reason, just "because they can". It'll put strain on the economy"

- Meanwhile on planet Earth people like myself will be unable to study a second degree (i.e. actually earning a potential to get a fucking job for what I want to do) or even eat and live properly for several years after graduating due to being in around $30,000 debt.

"Money's gotta come from somewhere."

- In response to education cuts. Meanwhile 24 billion dollars is being spent of FIFTY FOUR FIGHTER JETS.

"Australia is in a debt crisis after all"

- a AAA credit rating by the four major credit rating agencies proves this.

"Why don't you write a letter to the government instead? Letters are more civil and will get a better response."

- In response to protesting

"The police have better things to do than carting you away from rioting. What if they're needed to stop a robbery?"

- Further response to protesting

"You have far too much time on your hands. Why don't you get a part-time job?"

- Apparently having free time is a steep, slippery slope that leads towards this "delinquency"

"It's kinda like telling somebody that you swat a mosquito yesterday. There's no real point to it."

- In response to gay people coming out of the closet

"What have they ever done for us? They've had just as much time as us. And look at us, we were originally convicts and look what we've done."

- In response to Aboriginal rights

"the HELP program is optional, if you don't wanna pay the extra, pay it up front in cash, buy your tertiary education. The jobs wont be made worse, but just like taking a loan out, rates change, we cannot always expect them to stay the same if the buying power 1 unit of currency changes. We are at the mercy of living in an expensive and privileged country, I am surprised its taken so long for it to change"

- Tom C.

"...Uni fees are there because our education is already state of the art. The world is not easy, stop expecting it to fall into your lap."

- Tom C.

"Yes, we do. From what I've seen Australia has the best living conditions in the world..."

- An anonymous man in response to me mentioning Australia's AAA credit rating after he said we were in a debt crisis. Is he so desensitised to think there's still room to make cutbacks for some imaginary debt crisis amidst a decade or so of economic prosperity?

"The Australian population is growing with the baby boomers generation. If they keep the pension age as it is, the government simply won't be able to afford it"

- Aww. Poor government. Okay, I guess it's best we let the poor thing have some pocket money.

"Students are an impoverished layer"

- Somebody I'm related to. Therefore it's okay to pay them so little, right? This same bullshit logic applies to anything. In 18th century America one could have said "Blacks were an enslaved layer" to justify their enslavement.

Relating to Refugees
"I worked in BUPA. Refugees, when they arrive in the country, are practically handed a silver platter of opportunities"

- This includes the abolition of legal advice that was originally available for refugees entering the country. Also Manus island and Nauru are also full of plenty of opportunities. Oh that's right, they're not real refugees, my bad.

"They should know that it's illegal to enter Australia without permission"

- Everybody totally has free and reliable access to legal advice 24/7, and everybody can certainly afford passports and plane tickets. Especially in third world countries

"Sorry, I'm not a refugee"

- Leafleting for a free the refugees rally. Fucking white people sometimes.

Relating to workers' rights
"They should learn to expect rude behaviour. They chose that job after all."

- Someone in response to the wonderfully fun and non-soul grinding experience of working in retail

"If everyone got the same wage why would there be any incentive to work hard and become a doctor or something?"

- Exactly why I'm studying a bachelor of Fine Arts, right? Nothing says money more than a degree that will make you work for a minimum wage earning rarely (if ever) available job that demands plenty of unpaid overtime.

Relating to Unions
"The unions sent the Australian car industry broke. For example you couldn't get employed in the industry unless you were part of the automotive manufacturing unions"

"...yes and no. Unions are fine for weaker individuals when they need job or wage protection. However just knowledge of the legal system is powerful enough for an individual to better his pay or working conditions"

"The unions are like the mafia. They'll offer you protection if you join them and give them money"

"Class didn't exist before the implementation of unions. Maybe Europe's an exception, but capitalism has no class, especially in America. Class conflict only existed when the unions took over and began ostracising any workers who didn't join them as scabs. The true class war is between the workers and their bosses against the unions"

On Class and Capitalism
"do you like globalization? Is it wrong to want to buy a t-shirt made in a developing country because it helps a higher % of people out of poverty than I would be helping of I bought a t-shirt that was made localy"

- Somebody I'm related to. Also: American English

"What was that term you used again? [...] (repeats to himself) ...class."

- Sibling. A time where I bothered to legitimately sit down in the heat of some half bs "philosophical discussion" and give him the lowdown on class politics. But, my god... what a turnout.

"Sure, the working class may think the rich are selfish and only interested in profit, but when you think about it the rich on the other hand see the workers and racist and lazy bogans, don't they?"

- Same sibling.

Relating to Israel and Palestine
"But aren't the Palestinians just as guilty of it as well?"

- Apparently palestinians can generate state of the art weapons, bombs, walls, bulldozers and US funding from the current large amounts of thin air and dead family members that they have in abundance

"...they need a jewish homeland."

- Somebody I'm related to in reference to Israel.

"It's a war of religion that has always happened and will never stop"

- Somebody I'm related to on the middle east. That historical accuracy though. Let's forget about Shi'ite and Sunni largely co-existing and intermarrying before American intervention. Let's forget about photos and news coverage of Christians protecting Muslims in prayer (and vice versa) during the Egyptian Revolution. Let's forget that Israel is a colonial, genocidal state that would have never existed without the US and its interests. Let's forget that the borders that divide the middle east were drawn by the British and French empires after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire to secure their own interests.

"Oops, doesn't affect me!"

- Somebody I'm related to about the atrocities committed by Israel within the Gaza strip. He couldn't be more obliviously selfish if he tried.

"Did you free Palestine tonight?"

- Same sibling after returning from an afternoon leafleting for a Free Palestine rally

"I'm not going to support Hamas if they're going to use children as human shields"

- But in his case, the people who plant this bullshit have certainly succeeded in creating human parrots.

"It's because the Jewish lobby in the US is so strong"

- A person on the Israeli genocide of Palestine. *sigh* I gotta hand it to this guy, at least he's sympathetic to the Palestinians. For a middle class wanker who can afford luxury cars and a trip to Canada with the likely possibility of staying in $1000 per night motels, this is exceptionally rare.

"...you're effectively condoning terrorism"

- Zionist "not a Zionist" who leeched off politely would not vacate our stall area like a missile drone bothersome bumbling bee

"What about the Israelis who were kidnapped by Hamas?"

- Same not-zionist. Of course. 1200+ Palestinians dead absolutely is justified by a few kidnapped Israelis.

"If Hamas put their weapons down today, the conflict would be over"

- Same not-zionist, again. He used his phone to video us, too. Because we're gerderm terrists

"Did you attack anyone today [...]?"

- Some Zionst sympathiser as he was videotaping us with his phone. Again, we're terrists so its okaye

Relating to Women's Rights
"Legalising abortion is just a "bandaid solution" to the real source of the problem: the degrading moral standards of society"

- Ironically, making abortion illegal is still a bandaid solution to this apparent "cause of abortions".

"I am just advocating pro-life. Where have I mentioned sexism or oppression of women? I see no mentions"

- Apparently women aren't fully capable decision makers and must have laws that do the deciding for them. You call this gender equality?

"It's a natural instinct for a man to rape women"

- An anon by the name of Ryan.

"Was it run by a woman?"

- On a public meeting about women's oppression in capitalism

"I suddenly understand why feminism makes women emotionally and intellectually dysfunctional, and even some men - it's a "mass psychogenic illness"."

- aporiac on Youtube

Relating to LGBTI+ Rights
"...I'd just give them my middle finger and tell them to get over it"

- Flatemate, on people identifying by non-binary gender identities.

Reporting Biases
"...Far-left activists briefly won the attention of mainstream media for protesting in favor of open borders and against the banning of the construction of minarets. The federal police further recognizes some activity by extremist Islamist groups as well as extremist or violent ethnic Albanian, Turkish, Kurdish and Tamil groups which mostly remain under-cover and aim at funding their activities."

- There you have it. Wikipedia implies that the far left in Switzerland is funded/viable for potential funding by Islamic extremists. So comprehensive and neutral.

"Did you know a democracy has ever declared war on another country?"

"People vote Abbott in to fix the debt, and when they bring in a budget as harsh as this one they pull out. ...they have a mentality of "it's alright but just as long as it doesn't affect me""

Terminology Hilarities
"China is communist"

- J.W.

"I've traveled the world extensively, visited numerous countries ruled by communist oligarchies, and all of your assumptions have never held true, not even once. This is, unless of course, you're referring to conditions of a "True Communism" scenario, where what you've said would be the case, but anyone who is well read in Marxist literature is well aware that "True Communism" is a pipe dream subscribed to only by fools prone to adopting ideas that serve no practical purpose in the 21st century."

- Nolan Shay replying to a comment pointing out the social potentials of a truly communist society

"Hey, chill with the capitalism, guys. Capitalism isn't the cause of our economic and financial problems. It's the government monopolization of entire economic sectors and the distribution of tax-exemptions and funds through subsidies and the mass creation of government jobs, which, as you may notice, ALL have more to do with communism (except for the ones enforcing it) and LIMITING the free market and the supply and demand approach to economics instead of supporting it, which boils down to kind of the exact opposite of capitalism. Blaming capitalism and the free market for the results of corruption in your government's monetary policies is like blaming McDonald's because the Hamburglar stole your lunch. Capitalism works IF you don't turn it into communism for the non-billionaires by financially rewarding criminal behaviour. Know what you're actually protesting, folks."

- Ben Lee on, uh, some bullshit neoliberal ramblings

"..that's the the problem with those "isms". Any ideaology with "ism" at the end is too extreme"

- A rich guy I'm related to. Also: capitalism, pacifism, liberalism

"Good old Marxism, the conceit of intellectuals. Most people who have never read the communist manifesto, dont realize it was written by a couple of young men who'd never done a days work in their lives. The people who pertain to that ideology today still occupy the same position, no serious private sector experience."

- Paul thecat on Youtube, the web's #1 source of reliable politics, and Paul is the world's #1 most dangerous political theorist to Marxism.

"Marriage is a religious word."

- An "argument" against gay marriage

On Humanity
"I reckon that wars will stop once we discover more powerful energy sources"

- Optimism is refreshing. In the same way a chilled and served glass of hydrochloric acid is.

"..the thing is in theory communism is the best form of government, however in practice it never works because of human nature"

- Hearing my flatmates talk politics and philosophy is like poison.

The "Man I met at the markets"
It's too golden to split up into categories, so this pig gets his own.

"If you're not a socialist when you're young, you have no heart. If you're not a liberal when you're old, you have no brain"

- Some old guy I met at some markets. He was so far gone I couldn't summon up the brain cells to argue with him.

"I run a business and can tell from experience that Australia is in a debt crisis"

- Same man. That's a darn shame that you're not making as much money as you would like to. Better tax the poor some more

"Australia has the highest rate of people on disability pensions. It can't be just that Australia has more disabled people on any other country?"

- Same man. Where is he getting these statistics? The Business Insider Australia?

"...the way the treat women over there is just horrendous."

- Same man, on the middle east. Also went as far as to call Julia Gillard a hyprocrit for speaking over there. What?

"The same blokes who gave Australia its triple A credit rating were in with the same people at wall street who led to the global financial crisis"

- Same man.

"They actually took the phones of some Tamil refugees, which turned out to be satellite phones which had contact with top legal consultants. [...] shows that they want to illegally get into the country."

- Same man again.

Relating to the events surrounding Russia, Crimea and the Ukraine
"It's the biggest tragedy in the past decade, at least"

- Somebody in my family on MH17

"Hopefully this brings Denmark and Australia closer together"

- Same somebody when hearing "Danish" casualties amongst the Australian casualties on the news

"The thing about these people is that their mindset is so very different from us"

- Same person, on the subject of Russian nationalist militants in Ukraine. By "us" she means Australians

Relating to Islamophobia
"But Muslims aren't a race. It isn't racism toward muslims if Muslims aren't a race"

- Some "smart" fuckwit "educating" us with the correct usage of the word racism and how it's incorrect to use it to describe hatred of Muslims

"stop islam"

- An in-law. Facebook status. Funny how in all the years I've known 'em they've never really given a fuck about "the threat of islamic terrorism" until the news rabidly started spewing it out in far greater proportions than usual.