User talk:Primarch11

You might want to take a look at the Space Primates talk page. Supahbadmarine 19:49, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, its really good. --NecrusIV-(Talk) 04:05, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

I hate to tell you this but the Chaos god you have just made crosses some lines. It is a shoe in for deletion. Supahbadmarine 23:51, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

Well first we do not allow super powerful Chaos Gods on this site. The four Major gods are the Canon ones and all fan made Gods are minor. That means no fifth power and certainly not a god that trumps the others. Secondly a few of the aspects under your gods dominion crossover into that of other Gods. That is a big no no. There is a lot more I could tell you if I had the patients to go over the entire article. Frankly it is unlikely you will be able to salvage this one. Don't let this discourage you though. Chaos Gods are one of the hardest things to make on this site. Also whenever you make an article be sure to check the Talk pages. They warn an author when there is problems and if you discuss it, the other Users can help you. Supahbadmarine 01:15, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

When you go to the Edit button on an article hit the little arrow and it should give you the Move option. This will allow you to chage the title of the article. A s far as contents go, you just need to make sections using heading. At the far left of your editing toolbar there is a button that sais normal. click it and it will give you option for making Headings. Big sections should be Heading 2. If you want to make a sub section go to heading 3 and so on. Also I felt I should tell you that despite the fact that Protogenoi is having some trouble, I felt it was well written. Supahbadmarine 02:21, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

No problem. Feel free to ask for help anytime. Supahbadmarine 02:27, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

Just asking, but do you know how to access and use Article Talk pages? If you don't then let me know and I will be sure to explain. Supahbadmarine 03:41, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

Sure. Each article comes with it's own talk page. This talk page is a place where the community can discuss the article and it's contents. If your article has problems, this is where you can find out what they are. To the right of an article's title there will be an icon that looks like a speech bubble with a number. This number indicates the number of times that the talk page has been edited. To the right of that bubble will be a link titled Talk. Click it to get to the talk page. At the top right of the page there is a blue button that says add topic. Click it then write your message. After you have written your message make a space and click the signature button on the editing toolbar. Then save. That should be about it. Supahbadmarine 03:54, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

Contents
They should be automatic. They appear whenever you make a heading. Like the one above. --NecrusIV-(Talk) 07:24, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

By the way. Make sure to check Wki Activity from time to time. It is a useful tool and the button is at the top right of any given page. Supahbadmarine 07:50, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

Sure. I have no problem with it. Supahbadmarine 20:11, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

Already did. Pretty good. Supahbadmarine 21:44, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

Imposter101 got the pic from the link that is in my How to make a fanon Dark Eldar Kabal article. That is the only option it would seen for sourcing such a pic. Necrus and Tom used a paint package to modify the pics to suit their own colour scheme as they are a set colour scheme (as there is not a DE painter- all of them are custom done from the original canon colour schemes). Hope this helps. --A Shadow Before the Dawn 13:42, December 7, 2010 (UTC)

P.S. You can use the "signature" button instead of typing your name. This makes it easier for others to find your user page in order to leave helpful comments.

Space Primates
Hello, I have written to the Talk Page of the Space Primates, but you have so far not responded. I know how easy it can be to miss what's written on an article's talk page, so I'm writing it again here on your personal talk page.

Numbers
I like this chapter, you've got a great idea for them, but the numbers do not work any way you look at them.

Issue one: 6,000 Space Marines?

Firstly, It would be very difficult to procure enough recruits to keep a chapter at that strength without compromising the chapter's standards.

Secondly, where are you going to get the equipment for six thousand Space Marines? Jungle worlds are not famous for their industrial capacities.

1, how are your guys going to keep themselves secret, is they managed to acquire all their equipment from other worlds?

Thirdly, if these Space Marines respect Guilliman enough to split up their overstrength chapter, then they would certainly have respected him enough NOT TO GET THAT BIG IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Issue two: three battle barges is the absolute limit. Three, 3, III; any more than that, and you're gonna have the Imperial Navy, and the Inquisition, and all sorts of unhappy people asking inconvenient questions like 'who are you?'

Firstly, how are you going to keep a chapter secret when they have five battle barges? They are kind of hard to hide.

Secondly, they are even harder to find: you cannot build a battle barge in orbit of any world you please: these are not Luna-class cruisers. And you can't just go down to the nearest Adeptus Mechanicus forge world and say 'Hi, I'd like five battle barges to go please'; the Adepts would ask inconvenient questions like 'who are you?'

Misc
Firstly, why would any Space Marine be 'shocked' by a jungle world? There are lots of them in the Imperium.

Secondly, if they have been around for centuries before anyone ever heard of them, what have they been doing in the past centuries that no one has ever heard of them?

Thirdly, It is not impossible for a chapter be 'lost'; there are a number of canon chapters that have been lost to the Imperium; but only when they were stranded in a particular place. I.E. lost in the Warp, marooned on a planet. If they have space ships, then why have they not told people they exist? Why have they been keeping themselves secret?

Fourthly, how is it that the chapter's founding is a secret? I'm pretty sure the chapter would have some idea of when they were founded.

Fifthly, if they have several recruiting worlds, then it would impossible for them to remain secret; people would see these nine-foot semi-humans going around in power armor, and they'd ask inconvenient questions like 'who are you?'

1, the Imperial Navy would see the ships coming and going, and they'd ask inconvenient questions like 'who are you?'

2, the Ecclesiarchy, and possibly the Inquisition, would see all these people sending all their youths away at the same time every year and they'd want to know where they're going.

3, if the chapter has claimed a whole bunch of worlds for their own, than-

a, that is not something you can keep secret; all sorts of people are going to hear about it, and they're gonna ask inconvenient questions like 'who are you?' and-

b, unknown people going around claiming human worlds for their own is something the Imperial Guard takes issue with.

nope, just commented on it

I suppose I would be okay with that. Though I would like it if you would consult me on the creative process. Supahbadmarine 02:49, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

I am thinking black and green. They would be Chaos Undivided followers and lets put their numbers around 2000. Supahbadmarine 03:16, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

Sure. Go ahead. Supahbadmarine 16:05, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

What do you mean? Supahbadmarine 18:50, December 12, 2010 (UTC)

Well, you click add category and then type it in. If there is no existing category by the name then a page will be created. Then you click on the category and make the page. Supahbadmarine 19:56, December 12, 2010 (UTC)

Hey Primarch11. I was wondering if you would like a Vralgazi clan devoted to Mui'gam. Let me know if you would. Supahbadmarine 20:32, December 12, 2010 (UTC)

Okay. First we have to come up with a clan name. The name will end with an i that will have an ee sound. The name will translate into 'The something People'. Get back to me when you have a name. Supahbadmarine 21:09, December 12, 2010 (UTC)

So, you noticed that huh? On this subject I am sadly useless. I actually triedto correct it but could not figure out how. Sorry.:p Supahbadmarine 02:04, December 13, 2010 (UTC)

You have to be an admin to do that, i guess you just make a new one --NecrusIV-(Talk) 05:54, December 13, 2010 (UTC)

No clue. Supahbadmarine 12:22, December 14, 2010 (UTC)

I just thought that I should tell you that Jochannon has been very upset about your lack of feedback regarding his comment on your User Talk page and the Space Primates Talk page. I highly suggest you go back through these pages and see what he has to say, and then respond. Supahbadmarine 20:33, December 16, 2010 (UTC)

It is alright. Just be sure to regularly check Wiki Activity and keep on top of your articles' talk pages. If you do that you should be fine. Supahbadmarine 21:39, December 16, 2010 (UTC)

The only ones I have seen were sept symbols. Supahbadmarine 22:04, December 16, 2010 (UTC)

Space Primates
Firstly, you wrote to me 'they only have five other worlds to recruit from' but what you wrote on the article is: 'The Space Primates also have other recruiting worlds. These worlds include other Feral worlds, Jungle worlds, Dessert worlds, Ice worlds and sometimes Hive worlds. Excluding Hive worlds, the other worlds were claimed by the chapter centuries ago' Which am I supposed to believe is true?

Secondly, how many Jungle Worlds do you think there are that do not have 'really huge trees'? Seriously.

Thirdly, the Bottom Line: the maximum size of a Chapter is 1,000 Space Marines, with a maximum of three Battle Barges. THAT IS IT. Jochannon 20:22, December 17, 2010 (UTC)

FIrstly, this is not about making me feel better. It is about obeying the rules of the site: it is here for people to expand on canon without contradicting it.

Secondly: how much is a little? What parts would be changed? How would they be changed? Without those being made clear, your question is not answerable.

The two big canon problems are these:

Why is it that no-one has heard of them? It is not directly canon-hostile for them to unknown, but there must be an explanation for it. For instance, you write that 'the Space Primates were founded in utmost secrecy on order of the Inquisition, and then sent into Xeno space to deal with a specific threat: the mission was undertaken in strictest secrecy, and the Space Primates were forbidden from even revealing their existence to the rest of the Imperium.'

Their numbers: it is possible that while beyond the reach of Imperial authority they would have increased their strength to better combat the enemies of mankind, which could be written something like this: 'the Space Primates observed how their numbers waxed and waned as their constant battles took their toll, and the Great Apes began to fear that the Chapter itself was in danger of extinction. Therefore, they decided to increase their numbers, recruiting so many warriors that they rivaled the Legions of the Great Crusade.' Once they returned to the Imperium however, they would be returned to Codex size. Not optional.

Like I said, I like the idea of the Space Primates. But these need to be dealt with. Jochannon 22:14, December 17, 2010 (UTC)

Please tell me before you add to the page, Mugiam is NCF right now. Imposter101 18:18, December 18, 2010 (UTC)

I like the changes you've made, they're very good, but no. It is not okay. Read what I'm writing here: 1,000 Space Marines is the limit: they could get away with it while in wild space, but not once they've returned to the Imperium. Jochannon 19:46, December 18, 2010 (UTC)

Alright, here is my take on the situation. Firstly you need to bring down the numbers a bit. It takes exceptional circumstances for a Chapter to have more than 1000 marines. If they are going to have more than that, then you are going to have to explain why they are an exception. Also, it takes lots of controlled resources to make a SM Chapter. They don't just form on their own, the Imperium creates them. That is why them being completely unknown is unfeasible. You need to come up with an explanation for why they would have remained hidden. As far a Mui'gam goes, the problem is that you mention his followers visiting his palace. Mortals can not survive anywhere within the Warp. This would also mean that they could not enter through the Callufrax. Also, remember to ask an author before incorperating their work into your own. I hope this was helpful. If you have any questions, you should look through the Talk Pages of the articles. Supahbadmarine 21:31, December 18, 2010 (UTC)

I would ask first. Don't panic. They will only delete it if an article has not been correct in 3 weeks. Write the admins, telling them that you have fixed the articles and you would like them to take a look and take the tag off if possible. Supahbadmarine 00:29, December 19, 2010 (UTC)

I have read your revised Muigam article and I personaly feel it is no longer NCF. As the main contributer to Syrath's Warriors I feel that it is okay to have a rivallry between the two factions. I have undone your deltion and your rivalry has been returned to the page. Yours Cal_XD. --A Shadow Before the Dawn 01:09, December 19, 2010 (UTC)

Your welcome. :) --A Shadow Before the Dawn 01:26, December 19, 2010 (UTC)

NecrusIV got to 2,000 Space Marines in the Iron Scorpions by talking it out with an administrator. If you want two thousand, talk it out with an admin. But I strongly advise you to just cut the chapter down to a thousand, then wait until you are more established on the site, and the admins know you better before you try making an extra-strength Chapter. Jochannon 12:53, December 19, 2010 (UTC)

That is your choice. Just listen to what the other guys say and it will blow over quickly. They were simply saying that you should wait unti lmore people know you before you rock the boat. My suggestion is to bring the Space Primates down to 1000 for now. Later on you can have some plot twist that will justify the extra Marines. Supahbadmarine 17:17, December 19, 2010 (UTC)

Well, that is up to you. If you want a bigger force you will have to come up with an explanation as to why the Imperium would tolerate it. One that the other users would agree with. Supahbadmarine 17:43, December 19, 2010 (UTC)

That could work. However, that assumes that the Space Primates are the only significant Imperial forces in their sector. I would try to get a second opinion on that if I were you. Supahbadmarine 17:53, December 19, 2010 (UTC)

Supahbadmarine and me have thought up three different ideas which could explain the increased numbers (2000 marines) of the Space Primates.

A Shadow Before the Dawn 23:39, December 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) You could put it down to the sector being home to several Xenos races which are encroaching on Imperial space and that the Primates have been allowed such large amounts of Marines in order to purge said races and win more planets for the Imperium.
 * 2) Have them as a Space Wolves succesor and that they have an orginisational structure similar to that of their parent chapter. However that itself is bending the canon as the SW geneseed is supposedly too unstable for a Successor Chapter to be sanctioned. This was Supahbadmarines idea.
 * 3) The large numbers could be justified by combining my first idea with yours. The Imperial worlds are sparsely distributed throughout the sector, hence more Astartes were required to protect them. On top of that their has been an increased number of Xenos incursions within the sector as their are several xenos controlled planets within the area under Space Primate control. They are allowed to have a large number of Astartes in order to not only defend the sector but also to expand Imperial control throughout it, through the conquest of alien worlds.

I will write him a message telling him that you fixed the numbers, and to look over the article a final time. Supahbadmarine 04:38, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

Think nothing of it. This is a community after all. Feel free to ask for help whenever you need it. I am more than happy to provide assistance. Supahbadmarine 05:56, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

No it would not be NCF. The leader of the Warband would have to be a former Word Bearer. If you are talking about a warband for Mui'gam, then you should come up with a story as to why he would turn. I am sorry i have not been very responsive lately. I recently had surgery and have not been feeling up to do much. Supahbadmarine 18:44, December 25, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah sure man, Supahbadmarine helped most of the way (by helped he mostly wrote the entire fluff.) Its allowed and I will let you know if something is NCF. Don't worry I think you will stay true to cannon. --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 12:06, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

Hello Primarch. I could not help but notice that you have been asking Tom to make a Ultramarines/Alpha Legion mix chapter. I am sure it can be done. However, as the one who helped Tom with the fluff for the Knights of Lupercal, I feel I should warn you that what you are trying is much more difficult. This is because unlike the Space Wolves and Luna Wolves, the Ultramarines and Alpha Legion had a strong rivalry. Furthermore the Ultramarines are far more uptight than the Space Wolves. Also I feel that I should tell you that you should change the section about the Space Primates and their relationship to the Knights of Lupercal. The thing is that noone outside the Chapter besides a few very powerful individuals actually know that there is a Luna Wolves element to the Chapter. To the vast majority of the Imperium they are strictly a Space Wolves successor. Thank you for listening. Supahbadmarine 17:58, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

Well that is interesting. It seems you were leaving me a message while i was writing you one on the same subject matter. Firstly, I am feeling much better now. Also, if you manage to pull this off I would be happy for your Chapter to be an ally of the Onyx Knights. Feel free to ask for help in the creative process if you need it. Supahbadmarine 18:07, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

Wow, you have surprised me, I honestly didn't think you could pull it off without having a NCF ember firing up in the article. You have made an amazing article. Thumbs up mate. --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 23:53, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah Sure man. --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 17:57, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

Re. Your message
Cheers for your advice: been wondering how to do that. :)

Who was that? --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 18:58, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

Me, soz. Been ages since I left a message anywhere and Iphone's weren't built with wiki's in mind. Jed Revenant man 19:36, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure the Prophetic Forgiven would be well aware of your Chapters heritage. They are a division of the Inquisition who spend their time combing records and interrogating members within the Inquisition and the Adeptus Astartes in order to root out any heresies (and Geneseed flaws). They would find out about your chapter sooner or later, they discovered the heresies of The Purgatory Program. So, I think you could have them as enemies, it suits their puritanical nature as even the slightest oddity in a chapter can lead to one of their "inspections", ie. Sons of Lucifer, they have a great intrest in purging them. --A Shadow Before the Dawn 21:14, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

I've done it now. --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 21:29, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

Ok then, but it may take a while. Ill write them and tell you when I'm done. --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 14:31, December 31, 2010 (UTC)

No not yet, I'm having trouble thinking and my brain still hurts from yew years eve. --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 13:44, January 1, 2011 (UTC)

So far I have got a few:


 * Lars Skywolf. great wolf of the chapter, loves using his jump pack in battle.


 * Haakon Falconwing. Lord Rune Priest of the Knights of Lupercal, uses a jump pack and has psychic talents over some airborne creatures.


 * Egil Silvermane. Chief Iron Priest of the Knights of Lupercal, owns 2 mechanical wolves and is one of the few not to won a jump pack.


 * Nils Bloodtalon. Venerable dreadnought, wields an assault cannon and a blood red power claw, covered in totems.


 * Francis Bloodtooth. A Wolf Lord Very fond of drop pods, using a fierce rain of them to hail down and destroy there enemies.

This is what I've got so far, I will send you some more when my brain works again. --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 18:44, January 1, 2011 (UTC)

Happy new year to you as well. --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 19:52, January 1, 2011 (UTC)

Do you mean Lars, Yeah. Also do you want a list of all there weaponry. --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 21:02, January 1, 2011 (UTC)

Good Name Idea. Here is the list of all the guys weapons.


 * Lars Skywolf, Uses runic armour, a jump pack, a Frostblade, a plasma Pistol and a tiny circlet of gold (which has a built in iron halo).


 * Haakon Falconwing, Wears Runic armour, a jump pack, a runic axe (force weapon) and a bolt pistol, also has a psyker-raven


 * Egil Silvermane, Has a servo-harness, runic armour and a 2 handed power axe, owns 2 mechanical wolves and is one of the few not to won a jump pack.


 * Nils Bloodtalon., wields an assault cannon and a blood red power claw, covered in totems.


 * Francis Bloodtooth, wears a jump pack, has 2 powerfists and a wrist mounted meltagun.

Here they are. If I come up with more of them I will tell ya. --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 21:13, January 1, 2011 (UTC)

Thank you Primarch 11. Imposter101 21:58, January 1, 2011 (UTC)

Here's a link to the War-legion page http://warhammer40kfanon.wikia.com/wiki/War-Legions_of_Syrath%27s_Warriors#List_of_War_Legions and here's a link to Syrath's Warriors page http://warhammer40kfanon.wikia.com/wiki/Syrath%27s_warriors

Imposter101 22:04, January 1, 2011 (UTC)

Plus the War-legion page is only there to give you data about the 4th War-legion. Write it in the Syarth's Warriors page. Imposter101 22:05, January 1, 2011 (UTC)

Ok then, How about this:

Sven Icewalker, Rides his thunderwolf Known as Icetooth the black. Wields a thunder hammer and a storm shield.

Does this work

Ok then, How about this:

Sven Icewalker, Rides his thunderwolf Known as Icetooth the black. Wields a thunder hammer and a storm shield.

Does this work --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 02:35, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, I'll add the Crimson Marauders to the enemies section.

oops forgot to sign Hallen979 03:10, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

Re:
Yup, that was me. Cannabalised that particular thing and turned it into Crusade, which is horribly NCF: but I don't mind. Jed Revenant man 01:33, January 4, 2011 (UTC)

While 2 is a good number, I think we can have 1 or 2 more, why, which legions were you thinking of. Check the site for which legions have been used in a chapter. Try not to use the same legion twice. But yeah, give it a shot.

Tell me which legion your going to use, cause I'm curious. --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 01:29, January 7, 2011 (UTC)

Cheers dude, nice to be appreciated. And thank you for the offer; I will most definitely consider it. And this is how you put your foot in your mouth like an expert... 13:36, January 7, 2011 (UTC)

Interesting. I would say word bearers probably wouldn't be possible. Due to the fact that the entire legion were corrupted quite badly, I think any loyalists would be put under so many tests they would just say "right forget it.".

I don't really know if the world eaters would be taken, theyre a bit too violent. All or them have there nerves rewired to fight in an unholy rage. They would probably be shunned by everybody.

And night lords, Well do you mind, I was going to make a night lords and blood angels successor. They would be Called The Children of Shadows. However If you want we could both do it.

Id say the others though, go for it. --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 14:38, January 7, 2011 (UTC)

I think it will work. good luck to you man. --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 17:17, January 7, 2011 (UTC)

Looks good so far. Supahbadmarine 01:36, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

Sadly I won't be doing much editing for the next month or so due to computer problems. But when Its sorted I wil show you and everything. --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 18:38, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

It isn't too much to ask at all. They'll be in the next chapter, probs; gonna have the Emperor Externinatus the future Tau world, so the Gamma Dragons can appear then quite easily. Any name you'd want for their Captain (probs just a Company Captain)? Also, if I did use use them, in this Chapter, would it be possible to reuse them in later chapters? Not to spoil the story, but suffice I to say there's gonna be some nice conflict and showing multiple Chapters at war will be lovely, and using previously used characters and killing them is a good ploy to use. Also thanks for mentioning Erebus; gave me a great idea for how to continue the plot. And this is how you put your foot in your mouth like an expert... 22:13, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

At the moment ive got little idea of what Im going to do with my BA/NL chapter, Ill start when its all sorted but thanks for the offer.

on the idea of the pilgrimage, Brilliant. --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 12:13, January 11, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah that frost blade is a sword (although it can be an axe). Hes Standard equiptment (which I use in games) is: Frostblade (or powersword, which are sort of the same thing,) Plasma pistol, Runic Armour, Belt of russ, Jump Pack, Wolftooth necklace, Meltabombs and sometimes a wolftail talismen. --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 14:05, January 13, 2011 (UTC)

It's going ok. The next chapter's been started, just not finished. Exams, grrr. I'll get it done certainly before the end of the month at the very latest.thanks for asking, and don't worry; Gamma Dragons are most definitely in it. And this is how you put your foot in your mouth like an expert... 23:20, January 14, 2011 (UTC)

I think the idea of making a brotherhood page for loyalist survivors of traitor legions would be good.

Can I see some of your Lars Pictures.

And good luck to your WE/WC successor. --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 20:55, January 16, 2011 (UTC)

I've changed my Space marine Night lord Blood Angel Successor slightly. There now called the Shadow Lords, and is a Raven guard and Night Lords chapter. --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 22:06, January 16, 2011 (UTC)

I would say the 1st picture for 2 reasons. First of all, he looks cooler, he looks like an old warrior and a bit more secretive. Secondly, because the other photo not only has a marine who looks younger, but clearly has a fist on his shoulder pad (which, unless there symbol is a fist, will cause problems). --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 22:25, January 16, 2011 (UTC)

Sounds brilliant man. Go for it. --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 23:04, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I have noticed that as well. If he had a proper account, I would be giving him a stern talking to right now. Supahbadmarine 21:14, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

Same here. I am geenerally easygoing, but I put a lot of thought into my articles. Supahbadmarine 21:20, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

I am not so sure on that one. You have to remeber that the imperium is leery of Psykers in general. Putting one in what is essentially a walking tank for all eternity probably would not appeal to them. You will have a hard time selling that, but I like the idea and if you can find a way to make it work then go for it. On an earlier note, if the guy from before goes after the Character I am currently working on, then I will personally abandon my loyalties to Tzeentch and bust out the Chainaxe. Supahbadmarine 21:35, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

First I would like to point out that it would be better to see the Chapters once you make them and then comment. So far everything is good, but I am curious as to how you are going to combine the Imperial Fists and the Iron Soldiers. It is true that they have a similar specialization, but they have hated each other for a long time. Also, going by their characteristics, I would have gone with Salamanders?Derath Guard, and Dark Angels?Word Bears instead. Of coarse that is just my opinion. I hope this helped. Supahbadmarine 22:03, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

I think the reasons will work, they sound plausible. --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 13:30, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

Very cool. The Prophets of the Lion will probably be very good heretic hunters. The fire guardians are going to be tough to kill, after all they are made from a chapter known for it's grit and relentlessness and a chapter known for it fortitude. As far as the IF/IW thing goes, I was not underestimating your abilities. It is simply that the IF and the IW probably had the worst relationship between any two legions. After all it was las the Alpha Legion and the Ultramarines who simply had strategic differences, their problem with each other was much more personal. Supahbadmarine 16:36, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

Hi Primarch11. Have'nt seen you around lately. I was wondering if you could give me some opinions on my character Ezekiel Cornatus. I want to get more feedback on him than I have been getting. So if you have time go to the articles talk page and leave a message. BTW I like what you have been doing with the conglomerate Chapters so far. Supahbadmarine 21:51, January 25, 2011 (UTC)

Awesome! TardirProductions 14:21, January 27, 2011 (UTC)

Sure. It seems to me that the Onyx Knights would get along with them quite well. Supahbadmarine 18:39, January 27, 2011 (UTC)

I have added the Fire Guardians to the Onyx Knight's allies. I look forward to crusading with you. Supahbadmarine 21:54, January 27, 2011 (UTC)

Three things.

1. I already know that. It's kinda... obvious.

2. I wouldn't call it "my" chapter.

3. Having a category article on a wiki with only one entry on it serves no purpose but clutter. Creating categories only serves a purpose when there are enough articles within the category to warrant having a category. --Lither My talk 03:40, January 29, 2011 (UTC)

hey Primarch11. you should check this out. Supahbadmarine 19:52, January 30, 2011 (UTC)

I can understand how you feel. I am glad you are undetered by this. Though i have to say that this idea has escalated quite a bit. Originally I had just made a single loyalist survivor. Now there are a bunch of part loyalist Chapters popping up. Supahbadmarine 20:33, January 30, 2011 (UTC)

There is nothing particularly wrong with that. Many Space Marine Chapters produce unique variations of equipment. Supahbadmarine 20:49, January 30, 2011 (UTC)

So, do you intend to allow dirge to add his Iron Guardians to the Brotherhood? Supahbadmarine 20:53, January 30, 2011 (UTC)

I have to say, that is very fair and reasonable of you Primarch. I hope it works out. Supahbadmarine 21:07, January 30, 2011 (UTC)

Me too. To be honest i am trying to get some work done on the projectas that i have put on hold. I have my work cut out for me considering the fact that the vast majority of my articles are incomplete. Supahbadmarine 21:13, January 30, 2011 (UTC)

I am sure he will be reasonable. BTW I feel i should warn you that Dirge has a bad habit of reponding to messages on his Talk page. Supahbadmarine 21:15, January 30, 2011 (UTC)

i think it would be fine to honor the Imperial Saints but i doubt that they would worship the Machine God. Really the only reason that that religion is tolerated is because the Imperium would fall apart without the Adeptus Mechanicus. Supahbadmarine 21:29, January 30, 2011 (UTC)

About my Iron Guardians. No hard feelings. That was someone on my end, sorry about that. As for an alliance with the fire guardians, why not?

Regards -DirgeOfCerberus111 23:18, January 30, 2011 (UTC)

Ithing you should go ahead with the Brotherhood. Having that as a background may help you to better define the characteristics of it's individual members. After all, the article does not have to be too big, and you can develope it more later if you feel like it. Supahbadmarine 21:39, February 2, 2011 (UTC)

Your welcome. Supahbadmarine 21:41, February 2, 2011 (UTC)

I honestly don't know. I suppose either go with what you feel, or toss a coin. --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 22:04, February 2, 2011 (UTC)

I just tried something to fixit. However I onlt learned how to add images recently. You might want to ask Tom. Supahbadmarine 00:36, February 3, 2011 (UTC)

Can my Iron Guardians be a separate group of loyalist iron warriors and ally to your titanium fists?

Regards -DirgeOfCerberus111 06:28, February 3, 2011 (UTC)

I'm kind of confused by what you asked. By the look of it, its already done. --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 13:55, February 3, 2011 (UTC)

The Idea of putting a librarian into a dreadnought isn't new and is possible. Remember, The Blood Angels can even field them on the battlefield and have a unit entry and also the Grey knights have Dreadnoughts (and every one of them is a psyker) so Yes it is possible. --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 14:00, February 3, 2011 (UTC)

I think Regis Drazen is the First Chapter Master. --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 09:26, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry slight change, the First chapter Master of the Knights of Lupercal was Kjal Falcontalon. Sorry about that. --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 15:39, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

I do have the Dark Fists, Golden Ravens and Knights of Wrath. And i like the Thousand Sons better than the Alpha Legion, but the Alpha Legion is cool too. TardirProductions 13:55, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, just make sure that if you include the Red Crusaders in the Titanium Fists' storyline, that the Red Crusaders are a bunch of tech-heads, alike their Chapter Master. TardirProductions 16:46, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

??? TardirProductions 16:55, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

Okay. Randomness is epic TardirProductions 16:58, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

To do that you do just the same you do with other links, it is that simple, really. TardirProductions 17:03, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

You do this:, with a word in the middle and then you've got a link. It works for me. TardirProductions 17:14, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

You're welcome. Now imme go play as the Titanium Fists in Dawn of War, bwahahahaha!!!

Forgot to sign, lol. TardirProductions 17:26, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, i must make a screenshot for the Kabal of the Lurking Roses anyways. TardirProductions 23:01, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

Hey. Me and Tardir are planning a little war between the Hedoth, Mutacrat, Imperium, Eldar and Necrons. We are trying to ask the community who should win. You will find some details on the Mutacrat Talk page. Please give us some feedback. Supahbadmarine 23:40, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

Right, judging from the 2 chapters, I would say rivals. for 4 reasons.

1: some of the Older knights were with the emperor when he told off lorgar, and as such they see that religion will destroy all and so they will be against the eclesiarch.

2: the KOL have there sort of totem gods (like the space wolves) and the ecclesiarch see it as bad.

3: space wolves hate dark Angels, and that hasn't gone away on the dual seed of the KOL.

4: KOl hate word bearers with passion for turning Lorgar and so I don't know how much they would trust them.

So I would say rivals, its fine though, I think an inner group rivalry would be good. --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 14:56, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah I saw it, Love it man. --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 23:41, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

It is going exellently. TardirProductions 13:33, February 15, 2011 (UTC)

The thing i said was Blood RAVENS and Thousand Sons. I call them the Blood Sons. And Dark Angels and Emprah's Children. TardirProductions 18:38, February 15, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. :) Have you read my new Stalking Chameleons article? A Shadow Before the Dawn 23:58, February 17, 2011 (UTC)

I'll check them out. A Shadow Before the Dawn 00:09, February 18, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah I saw it, looks cool. --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 20:14, February 18, 2011 (UTC)

Hey Primarch11, it's Palamon Justinian. Was just wondering if your new Chapter, the Infinite Angels, could be close allies with the Iron Hawks, my own Chapter. Please leave a message to tell me what you think. Tahnks :)

To be honest, I don't like the idea. What is the point of being part Blood Angels if they don't have the Gene defect? Supahbadmarine 19:28, February 21, 2011 (UTC)

The Prophetic Forgiven would not be enemies of the Infinite Angels as the PF have their own agenda... A Shadow Before the Dawn 20:45, February 21, 2011 (UTC)

Read the geneseed section of the Prophetic Forgiven an dyou may be able to deduce why. A Shadow Before the Dawn 21:07, February 21, 2011 (UTC)

Sure and cool idea. --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 18:20, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I am still working on Crusade; believe it or not it's one two thousand ish word chapter away from being completed, and then I'm going to write a sequel, probably in Summer. It's just finding time; I have a lot of work to do and then there's auditions for drama courses at uni and then an amateur film project with a mate... I promise, an update is coming. And this is how you put your foot in your mouth like an expert... 20:57, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

It can potentially be done. However you would have to proceed carefully. It would make for a very interesting character. I aprove. Supahbadmarine 04:24, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

A New Project
Since I've helped you in the past and you have likewise reciprocated by showing an intrest in my work I would like you to help me in my project of the Revenant Tigers. Also, if their are other users that you think would be intrested please message them as well (although I've already messaged Tom and Supahbadmarine BTW). A Shadow Before the Dawn 15:35, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

Just check out the Revenant Tigers page and decide what area you would like to conribute to. :) A Shadow Before the Dawn 17:58, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

still a good idea. In fact it makes it better. Supahbadmarine 18:10, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

That is up to you to decide. I however, would finish the brotherhood first. Supahbadmarine 20:25, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for informing me. Very nice start and I've commented on the Talk page. A Shadow Before the Dawn 18:55, February 27, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I just changed the quotes to have the quote template. A Shadow Before the Dawn 19:24, February 27, 2011 (UTC)

Grim would probably meet them at some point after 970.M41, also feel free to start the Shadow Claws page if you like (since they are heavily linked to your Sensei). A Shadow Before the Dawn 20:09, February 27, 2011 (UTC)

You can choose the colour scheme.They would be under the command of Captain Felix Aral and they have a young trainee Epistolary in their tanks. Their numbers would be 20-35 of them. A Shadow Before the Dawn 20:31, February 27, 2011 (UTC)

I'll write the background for you. I'm also happy for other marines to join their cause as long as they are lead by Felix. The Shadow Claws would have been founded by Felix but then sort of adopt other outcasts. So the Shadow Claws end up as the Astartes group of the Wandering Shadows under the overall leadership of Grim. Also an Epistolary is a Librarian, although on second thoughts the Psyker should actually be a Codicer (lower ranking than both a Chief Librarian and an Epistolary) as he would have been more likely to have been overlooked.

Rather than having a mutation it would male more sense if they were reliant on advanced teleporters (like stolen Eldar Warp Spider devices). Also I would be more than happy to hear suggestions for more notable members. :) A Shadow Before the Dawn 00:47, March 1, 2011 (UTC)

Really? That would be great. Supahbadmarine 01:23, March 1, 2011 (UTC)

I would go with Bjorn. An interesting coincidense considering that they are old buddies. Supahbadmarine 01:38, March 1, 2011 (UTC)

would you mind putting it up? Supahbadmarine 01:46, March 1, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, and yes I did. One of your finer works if I do say so. Supahbadmarine 01:49, March 1, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Shadow Claws
Here is what I envisioned the original Shadow Claws to number: 1 Captain; 1 Codicer and 31 standard Battle Brothers. They are all hell bent on striking out against the Imperium through acts of violence. Now here are the astartes who I approve and don't approve of you having as adopted Shadow Claws: I would also suggest looking to have marines from a variety of other lesser known and fanon chapters amongst their ranks. We should both start asking people to contribute a renegade or 10 to the terrorist group.A Shadow Before the Dawn 17:34, March 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * Revenant Tiger Chaplain: Yes: He takes up one of the survivors slots. And you have sound reasoning for why he might survive. Or even better he could have been a Chaplain in training, making him even more likely to be overlooked.
 * RT Scout(s): Maybe make it 3 or 4. They could have been cut off from the rest of the chapter and they just hid until the fighting was over. They add 4 more personel to the Renegade Group.
 * RT Sergeant: He can take up a survivors slot. Neat idea, I guess he could have been attached to a Tactical Squad which survived.
 * RT Assault Marines: They would probably be able to recover Jump Packs from the feild of battle.
 * Damaged Dreadnought: YES!!! Awesome idea. They need a firebase for supporting the Wandering Shadows. However have the Dreadnought originate from another chapter (preferably fanon). I may ask Tom if he would lkie it to be a Knights of the Hammer one.
 * Apothecary: NO, simply because they should not have one. The point of the Shadow Claws is they are seeking an honourable death for their Chapter(s) not wanting to prolong it.
 * Random Terminator: Possibly, but you could just have it that the Shadow Claws have a few recovered sets of their armour.
 * Deathwatch Tiger: NO, he would have been killed on sight with out a chance to flee.
 * Emperors Iron Techmarine: Yes; Perfect, cause they need someone to fix their armour. However, you need to have a good reason for him going rogue though. Like being left for dead trapped under a collapsed Dreadnought.
 * Fallen Angel: Yes, fits with the idea of them being renegades.
 * Legion of the Damned and Space Wolf: NO

Sure, we should move this discussion to the Shadow Claws Talk Page though. A Shadow Before the Dawn 20:03, March 1, 2011 (UTC)

I am aware. It is just that I don't have any ideas for that at the moment. Particularly because the different Galaxy idea has been taking up brain space. Supahbadmarine 19:50, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

Sure, go ahead. A Shadow Before the Dawn 21:10, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

Thank you Primarch11. :) I also added some bits to it and may shift some of the names around. What do you think of Space Marine Bob BTW? A Shadow Before the Dawn 20:25, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

Yep. :P It's a Doctor Who reference btw (episode five of the new series 5). A Shadow Before the Dawn 21:52, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

I'm fine with you adding that story to Grim's page. If I think up some ideas I'll message you.A Shadow Before the Dawn 22:49, March 5, 2011 (UTC)

It's up to you whether or not you include exact dates on Grim Doris. I would personally suggest a rough timeline where you include what millennium it took place in. However, if it is a very important event put an exact date. To address your questions on Ordo's, I'm not sure. On your question on inquisitors, they may receive biological or technological enhancements to prolong their life. A Sensei is practically immortal being a true son of the Emperor do it would not be a worry for a being of such callibre. A Shadow Before the Dawn 01:19, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

The Shadow Claws would only ever be a minor threat in comparison to the other things that the Prophetic deal with. Therefore a special group would be unlikely. A Shadow Before the Dawn 22:39, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

Possibly, but the Prophetic Forgiven are far more interested in hunting down Renegade Inquisitors. Grim would be on their list for sure and any other Sensei-Inquisitors would be as well, but they would not go out of their way to hunt down other Sensei. A Shadow Before the Dawn 00:17, March 7, 2011 (UTC)

I'm glad you're interested in my proposal. Instead of the artifacts being handed back in times of need what if the Prophetic Forgiven gave the Infinite Angels a symbolic and ceremonius relic. I wad thinking of it being a talisman which originated from Prospero. This talisman would have been blessed by the sorcerers of the Thousand Sons during the Golden Age of the Great Crusade. It would grant it's user a dampened Presence in the warp (original purpose would have been to prevent Flesh Change) making them invisible to daemons and their thoughts unreadable to Psykers. It could have been given to the Chosen Oracle by The Redeemed when the two Chapters swore their blood oath. A Shadow Before the Dawn 00:53, March 7, 2011 (UTC)

I've thought of a name for it: the Star of Prospero. Also, for the Thousand Blade, could it have been gained through different means. Like it was given to Lorenzo Drasus to aid his quest to hunt down a heretical Inquisitor who was now the leader of a Tzeentchian Cult. Or the Prophetic Forgiven could have just requisitioned it for their own needs. A Shadow Before the Dawn 01:06, March 7, 2011 (UTC)

The Star of Prospero would dampen it's wearers presence in the warp, allowing them to be invisible to daemons and immune to psychic attacks directed against the mind. Also, can you add it to the Relics section of the Infinite Angels with a brief description oh how your chapter got it and what if does. Can you also put the effects of the Thousand Blade and it's current owner under the appropriate heading. A Shadow Before the Dawn 01:30, March 7, 2011 (UTC)

That's fine, I need to get some sleep anyway cause it's 1:38am where I am. I'll check it on the morning. Hope you have a nice meal. A Shadow Before the Dawn 01:36, March 7, 2011 (UTC)

thought I should let you know about this. Supahbadmarine 20:46, March 7, 2011 (UTC)

Yep, but don't worry. your guys came first. Supahbadmarine 21:22, March 7, 2011 (UTC)

I know. I even pointed that out to him. I am pretty sure I am the only one that has commented on the article until now. Supahbadmarine 21:32, March 7, 2011 (UTC)

Doesn't sound NCF to me. Actually it sounds interesting. Supahbadmarine 22:20, March 7, 2011 (UTC)

Sure, I'll do it just now. :) A Shadow Before the Dawn 23:29, March 7, 2011 (UTC)

Done it, hope you approve of the addition to the Prophetic Forgiven's "allies". I also subtly added three different links to the Infinite Angels page. A Shadow Before the Dawn 23:50, March 7, 2011 (UTC)

It just struck me. It may be too late for this, but You should have made Iron Warriors/Iron Hands because of the affinity with machines, and Imperial Fists/Emperor's Children because the EC love perfection and the IF punish themselves for their flaws. This would have also removed the problem of the bad blood between the legions, as the IF and IS genuinely hated each other, and Fulgrim murdered Ferrus Manus. Supahbadmarine 04:16, March 8, 2011 (UTC)

Sweet, can you please add it to the article; Imposter101 would be very greatful. A Shadow Before the Dawn 17:18, March 9, 2011 (UTC)

Ask and show me the picture before adding it! Sorry Im not loged on since im at school

Can you please put the Prophetic Forgiven in the enemies section of all of your Space Marine Chapters which are part of the Brotherhood of the Faithful please, except the Infinite Angels of course ;-).A Shadow Before the Dawn 22:26, March 10, 2011 (UTC)

Hey Primarch. I have been thinking long and hard about the Brotherhoof of the Faithful. I have created my own version of the Brotherhood. I can tell you about it if you like. This is not me trying to influence you to change anything, and I won't be making it myself. I just thought you might be interested in how someone else would have done it. Supahbadmarine 00:40, March 11, 2011 (UTC)

Supah Brotherhood
Thank you. It would be my pleasure, so here it goes.

Wolves of Ultramar
Descendants of Ultramarines and Luna Wolves

The Wolves of Ultramar are a mighty Chapter that brings the strengths of both their fathers to the battlefield. Like many ultramarine successors they are primarily active within the Ultima Segmentum. The Chapter combines the legendary discipline of the Ultramarines and the tactical flexibility of the Luna Wolves to make a Chapter that reveres the Codex Astartes, but know when to operate outside of it. The Wolves of Ultramar have a rivalry with the Cerbarian Hounds that is only surpassed within the Brotherhood by the one between the War Machines and the Prodigal Sons.

Prodigal Sons
Descendants of the Imperial Fists and the Emperor's Children

The loyalist survivors of the Emperor's Children found a kindred spirit in the Imperial Fists. Sharing a sense of martial honor, an unwavering loyalty to the Emperor and a love of perfection, the two legions seemed to make a perfect fit. The Prodigal Sons are absolutely dedicated to achieving absolute perfection on the battlefield. Normal Marines work tirelessly to master the art of combat, and officers study battles and strategy at length to ensure that the Chapter has a perfect strategy to match any situation. The Prodigal Sons love of perfection goes beyond the battlefield however, and their Homeworld, Calypso, has become a posperous paradise due to their efforts. The Prodigal Sons have a rivalry with the War machines that surpasses any other in the Brotherhood.

Sanguine Fangs
Descendants of the Blood Angels and the World Eaters

The Sanguine Fangs can trace their lineage back to two Legions that practically wrote the book on assualt tactics. As such they are heavily Assualt oriented, and are one of the most aggressive Chapters in the Imperium. While they have troops for every combat situation, every Marine in the Chapter is well trained in close quarters combat, with even Devastators going into battle with at least one assualt weapon. The Chapter maintains a gladitorial Coliseum. It is here where Aspirants are judged, as they must prove their prowess here before they can be accepted into the Chapter. The Marines themselves fight here in order to keep their skills sharp. The Fangs believe in absolutely destroying the enemy. Becasue of this the Imperium is very cautious about sending them to fight rebels, as the Fangs will not stop until the enemy is destroyed. While they are widely criticised for their brutality, the Fangs possess a noble spirit, and an unquestioning loyalty to the Imperium and their comrades. They would gladly risk themselves for he sake of others.

Arcane Dragons
Descendants of the Salamanders and the Thousand Sons

The arcane Dragons mostly follow the doctrine and traditions of the Salamanders, with a few key differences. The first is only expected considering they share genetics with the Thousand Sons. That being that the Chapter has superior Psychic support on the battlefield. The seond part is the role of their Psykers themselves. The Librarians of the Chapter are called Soul Forgers. As well as fulfilling the role of a Librarian, the Soul Forgers are also trained in the ways of the Techmarines and Artificers. The Soul Forgers use their abilities to create equipment made with or impued with Psychic powers. Many high ranking officers of the Chapter go into battle with equipment with supernatural properties.

Scarred Warriors
Descendants of the White Scars and the Death Guard

The Scarred Warriors are an unbelievably flexible fighting force. The White Scars specialise in swift mounted attacks. meanwhile, the death Guard specialised in foot slogging infantry and sheer tenacity. The meeting of these to Chapters created one with equal skill in both mounted and infantry warfare. Each and every squad has some form of transport. The squad members themselves are highly trained in infantry tactics. Their favored strategy is to make a quick mounted strike with their vehicles and then switch to infantry and attritional warfare once their momentum has decreased. Regardless, the Scarred warriors are tough fighters that can adapt to whatever situation the battlefield throws at them.

Paladins of Vengeance
Descendants of the Dark Angels and the Word Bearers

The Word Bearers were the ones who initially started worshipping the Emperor as a god. It is little surprize that the Chapter has close ties with the Eccesiarchy. The Chapter Cult is fully a part of the Imperial Cult. The Chapter's basic organisation is the same as that of the Dark Angels and their successor Chapters. The Chapter as a whole is a group of puritanical zealots on constant crusade. They hunt down and punish not only heretics, but also Mutants, Abhumans, Apostate Psykers and anyone else who deviates from the righteousness of the Imperial Cult with fanatical tenacity. While the Chapter still distrusts the Inquisition, they often share their battlefield with the Sisters of Battle.

War Machines
Descendants of the Iron Hands and Iron Warriors

The Chapter is by far the most skilled with machinery out of the Brotherhood. They have strong ties with the Adeptus Mechanicus. It is highly uncommon for these Marines to lack bionics. They go into battle with countless engines of war. they even have their own combat robots given to them by the Adeptus Mechanicus. The effect of the Iron Warriors have removed the fragmented nature of the Iron Hands, and this entire Chapter fights as one, like a single well oiled killing machine. It has been noted that they are cold blooded and lack humanity. They have a vicious feud with the Prodigal Sons.

Night Wings
Descendants of the Raven Guard and the Night Lords

A rarely seen Chapter. The Night Wings are extremely Isolated, with no organization knowing the exact whereabouts of there Fortress Monastery. This Chapter has gained a shadowy reputation as it is almost never seen on the battlefield. This is because the Chapter rarely goes to battle with a significant force. Instead they prefer to send small elite squads on vital covert operations. The policy of the Chapter is that if they did their job right, then no one will ever know that they were there.

Cerbarian Hounds
Descendants of the Space Wolves and the Alpha Legion

The Space Wolves and the Alpha Legion remnants found a common disdain for the Ultramarines and their Codex Astartes. This has resulted in a highly unorthodox Chapter. it follows the basic structure of the Space Wolves with a few major differences. Firstly, there is no Great Wolf. The Chapter has no single leader, with the various Wolf Lords acting as a council. Also, they do not separate their squads into Bloodclaws, Grey Hunters and such. they still have those ranks and distinctions, but instead these individuals are places into flexible mixed squads. Finally, the Chapter is huge even by the standards of the Space Wolves. They are able to pull this off the same way that the Black Templars do. They have their forces fighting all ove the Imperium with the various Great companies and smaller cells acting independently. The Chapters soldiers are tough warriors with a falre for unorthodox tactics and strategy. they have a rivalry with the Wolves of Ultamar.

Here you go. tell me what you think. Supahbadmarine 02:07, March 11, 2011 (UTC)

Like I said. I never expected anything to come of telling you. I just hought that you would appreciate a different version of your work. This is just what the brotherhood could have been. I like your version and wouldnever ask you to change it. Supahbadmarine 02:20, March 11, 2011 (UTC)

I like it, Appreciate what you've done. I can see you've put lots of effort into this and it shows. --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 07:40, March 11, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, that would be good for his pre-banishment form. Me and Imposter have something else in mind for his new form but he does require an old one. A Shadow Before the Dawn 01:34, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

I pretty good idea. Just remember that they would be friends with them with the expectation of eventually bringing them into the Tau Empire to serve the Greater Good. Supahbadmarine 18:22, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

Sure, that would be a great idea. A Shadow Before the Dawn 20:50, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

It would most likely be during the Purgation Crusade against Syrath in M.36. A Shadow Before the Dawn 21:04, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

It's briefly mentioned in both the Syrath the Immortal and Prophets of Destiny articles. A Shadow Before the Dawn 21:22, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for editing the Grim Doris page. Also, would you like Grim to run into Syrath at a later date, say M39 which is after Syrath's return to the Warp, when he is at the peak of his unholy power. A Shadow Before the Dawn 23:23, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, that sounds like a good idea. However, as Cyrse is Imposter101's article you'll need to ask him as well. A Shadow Before the Dawn 23:47, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

Message Imposter101 to find out whether or not he would agree to letting Syrath ally with any of the Black Legion. I my books I don't see much of a problem; BUT... Syrath's Warriors do not have great relations with the Black Legion and it would be more likely for Syrath to just use the plentiful amount of his followers to take out Grim. Anyway, I have no qualms with the idea but be sure to tell Imposter101. A Shadow Before the Dawn 20:50, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

Sure. :D Message me when your done. A Shadow Before the Dawn 20:55, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

Im sorry but Syrath's Warriors see the Black Legion as Vermin and scum. They may 'asssit' the Word Bearer but require a resson to do so and some form of reward. Imposter101 19:07, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

I know. I have been keeping tabs on Bevid. Actually I was going to ask you if you wanted to make them enemies. Supahbadmarine 00:08, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

Well I imagine that whenever Bevid's warband and the Onyx Knights meet in battle, Drazen could go out of his way to beat his old superior. That and whenever Bevid goes after the Knights of Lupercal Drazen would request that the Onyx knights give aid. I imagine that we could come up with a few good battles for these two. Supahbadmarine 00:17, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, but those two turn traitor during the massacre. They become two nasty Chaos Lords. Supahbadmarine 00:24, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

That could work. They could give intel to Bevid that he can use to attack the Loyalists. Mind you, Drazen does not need a reason to hate Bevid, as he has it out for the entire Black Legion. Still this could work beautifully. Also, due to being enemies with drazen, Bevids personal Warband could be an enemy of the Onyx knights. Supahbadmarine 00:30, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

Makes sense to me. I will make the appropriate edits. Supahbadmarine 00:35, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

They don't. While he still considers them his precious comrades, he knows that if his identity were to be known it would cause dilemmas for the Onyx Knights. So he keeps it to himself. Supahbadmarine 02:03, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

I like the lightning Claw idea, as it would be a homage to Horus, which would fit Bevid perfectly. On the daemon weapon, while it is an original idea, I don't think it would work well. Of coarse this is your character, and whether you take my advice is completely at your discretion. Supahbadmarine 18:45, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

I have added a quote. On the Knights of Lupercal thing, you will have to ask Tom. Supahbadmarine 21:38, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

I would like to allie Syrath's Warriors with Bevid. Your rejection of Abbadon the faiure is a general nature within the Warriors of Syarth. Imposter101 18:31, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

Were's the pic? Imposter101 20:41, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

Im sorry but that looks nothing like Syrath. Im currently working on a picture. Imposter101 20:51, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

Hey Primarch. I thought I would let you know that I found someone who might be good for a relationship for Grim Doris. He could be his friend, enemy or both at one time or another. The Character is named Lycan. You can't tell yet but he is quite the character. Supahbadmarine 17:29, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

You would not know it from the Article, but Lycan has big ambitions. I created this Character with Arcangle, you see. His initial ambitions would perhaps be something that Grim can understand. Anyway, after a long while, Lycan goes crazy and wants to destroy the Imperium. He intends to do this by finishing the Emperor off. Supahbadmarine 17:49, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

Actually, I had the same thought in mind. After all Zeke already has a play date with Syrath the Immortal. Supahbadmarine 18:25, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

Hm, let me read alittle more about Grim Doris and I will get back to you as soon as I can. By the way, I am trying to get a picture for Lycan but I do not know how can you tell me how you got a picture for Grim?

Ok but how did you download it to your characters profile?

Sure, what were you planning on. AS long as none are deleted, them full steam ahead. --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 18:09, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea. --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 17:04, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

Sure. --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 17:08, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

The forces of Lord Bevid were pursued by a Large Imperial Fleet. Outgunned and outnumbered, Bevid may have soon been defeated by the Imperials if it was not for the massive 3rd War-legion fleet arriving form out of the Warp. The Imperial fleet was quickly defeated by the massive barrage of fire power unleashed by the Chaos fleets. Sorcerer Commandant Kremlin and his Honour Guard Terminators Teleported aboard Bevids Command ship wishing to personally meet the Chaos Lord. Kremlin offered new ships, Weapons and repairs for Bevids forces in return for some amount of loyalty and Alliance.

Here's the basic story behind Bevid and Syrath's Warriors alliance.

Hey Primarch. I have a new project coming up, and I wondered if you wanted to be a part of it. The article is called Execution Force Sigma. It is an elite team of Imperial Assasins that are disp[atched to deal death to especially difficult targets. It is lead by a Vanus Assasin named Maxim Devers. He is the only member I have made so far, but if you like you can make a member of your own. Tell me what you think. Supahbadmarine 21:05, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

Sure that sounds pretty good. I am going to make the article now. Supahbadmarine 21:10, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

That could work well. In fact, maybe he could be a former member of the team. I have made the article. Feel free to add your guy to the page. While it was not a bad idea, I don't think that a sniper should be second in command. After all, a sniper should be free of the burdens of command in order to focus on his craft. Supahbadmarine 21:20, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

That was more of less the idea. I am glad that we are the same page. Supahbadmarine 21:22, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

I am glad to see it had an impression on you.:) Supahbadmarine 21:50, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

How about the Kaaalok? Supahbadmarine 22:43, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

I am glad that you did. With this the followers of Mui'gam have more of a unique image. Also, with your permission I would like o edit the section about the Plunderers. I think I can make them seem more badass. Supahbadmarine 18:49, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

Done. Hope you like it. Supahbadmarine 19:50, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

Sure, cheers man. I can also make a few guys for the empire if you like. --For Russ! For the Wolftime! 21:02, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

I just had a thought. How about the Sons of Horus being one of the few warbands that use Plunderers. It is true that Black Legion Warbands are Chaos Undivided, but they do use troops who are fully dedicated to one god. So Plunderers could be part of Undivided Warbands, and not just those that are fully dedicated to Mui'gam. Supahbadmarine 21:03, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

A Sept is just one world. As far as it being a part of the Star Empire, I don't think it would work out. The Tau are convinced that their way is the best way. The only reason a sept would join the Star Empire is to try and slowly convince it to join the Tau E,pire from within. Supahbadmarine 03:43, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

It could work. I would get a second opinion if I were you. Supahbadmarine 03:58, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry for lack of being on the site, busy. You'd have to ask Cal about that aswell as me.Imposter101 11:13, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

Hey Primarch. If I could i would like your opinion on my Craftworld, Feyrahntal. Supahbadmarine 02:54, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, Bevid and Syrath can be allies. They seem to have similar motives (ie. Getting to the top of their game: Bevid- Warmaster; Syrath- Saint of Chaos/Chaos God).A Shadow Before the Dawn 23:12, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

Sure, just message Imposter101 as well to see what he thinks about how they met. A Shadow Before the Dawn 23:40, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

Hey Primarch, yeah Grim Doris and Lycan can be allies, thanks for being patient. Arcangle 14:58, April 2, 2011 (UTC)

Hmmm. Could work. Maybe he could find one of those stones that the Traveler had. Supahbadmarine 22:11, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

Now I realise you are keen for Syrath to meet Grim Doris for a second time and I also know that you are enthusiasticly wanting Grim to meet Zeke. Some time ago (when the article was starting to be written) Supahbadmarine asked if it would be okay for Zeke to encounter Syrath, and I agreed to it. So... I was wondering if you would like Syrath's, Grim's and Zeke's stories all to intertwine at one point, involving a Stone of the Gods which Zeke discovers and that Syrath is after (for Bevid). Naturally this draws Grim to investigate. Now here is the twist, Zeke ends up being aided by Inquisitorial forces (and a certain Lorenzo Drasus) whom Grim must begrudgingly work with in order to retrieve the precious stones. Thoughts? I've already put it pay Supah and he likes it. A Shadow Before the Dawn 01:09, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

I agree. I already have a bit of an idea as to how it should all play out. I will explain once we have chosen a venue for this discussion. Supahbadmarine 01:18, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Grim Doris' Talk Page is the least cluttered so we should continue our discussion there. A Shadow Before the Dawn 02:18, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

I have the Derkallen, Mutacrat and Vralgazi. Supahbadmarine 22:06, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, I've added the Slann student to The Traveler page. His name is Otda (which is an anagram of toad). A Shadow Before the Dawn Talk Page 16:02, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Great, what do you think? I made sure to imply that he only appeared to be the first student (in order to make The Traveler even more mysterious). A Shadow Before the Dawn Talk Page 18:41, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Sure, It's your article. A Shadow Before the Dawn My Talk 18:45, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

So, how do you like my Xenos? Supahbadmarine 20:48, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

I am glad that you liked them, and or coarse you can use them. I am also perfectly fine with you creating the effects. I am sure you will portray them well. Supahbadmarine 21:01, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Sure I guess that could work.Supahbadmarine 22:05, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Actually, as Lorenzo is still a trainee at this point and is technically not part of the Prophetic Forgiven at the time if the story, there shouldn't be any issues. Also, this would have been before the Shadow Claws found Grim so they would be irrelevant anyway. The point is that Lorenzo befreinds Zeke and Grim before he is filly indoctirned into the chapter. And as these events happen after Drasus' extensive psycho-conditioning these characters have a huge impact on his views as an Astartes. In fact, because Lorenzo's handler is murdered by Syrath I wa going to suggest that he was briefly taken under the wing of Grim (and possibly turned into a sleeper agent or something). A Shadow Before the Dawn My Talk 02:37, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

No clue. I am great with most fluff, but i am horrible about dates. Supahbadmarine 21:24, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

Sure, but do we really need a date for a story article? Supahbadmarine 22:16, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

An exact date is not that important. All that needs to be clear is that it is while the Soul Cleanser (Librarian) Lorenzo Drasus is in Initiate training and that it is before the Shadow Claws find Grim. Also, most human characters in Warhammer 40k (excluding the HH of course and other specific books) setting tend to be alive from 950.M41 to 999.M41 so the date of 918.M41 would probably be before Lorenzo or Zeke were even born. With human characters you need to look at things on a much smaller scale than the timelines Daemons, Astartes and other Immortal beings belong to. If we have to go for a date some time after 970.M41 would suffice. A Shadow Before the Dawn My Talk 00:39, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Cool. We did not really need one anyway. Supahbadmarine 01:12, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

I think that I have a good name. how about Crossing Paths? Supahbadmarine 02:30, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Seeing as the first part of the story revolves around Zeke finding the stone, I will write it. However, I need to know which one he finds first. Supahbadmarine 02:46, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Alright I will get started ASAP. Supahbadmarine 02:54, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Does it actually look like a coin, and is it on a neckless like the others? Supahbadmarine 02:56, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

That would help. In stories like these it is best to be discriptive. Supahbadmarine 02:59, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

I have added the first part. Supahbadmarine 04:01, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

I feel that i would like to wait for Cal's input. Supahbadmarine 04:10, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Not sure. Supahbadmarine 04:49, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Lets give Cal some time. He may want to take the next part to introduce Lorenzo Drasus. Supahbadmarine 18:17, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Not a bad Idea, but which of Grim's people should he encounter? Furhtermore, what should happen to him, as if he were to go back and inform Grim the chase would start too soon. Supahbadmarine 18:52, April 11, 2011 (UTC)